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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Cadfael » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:18 pm

Okay, so your workplace is just fine. No harassment or condescension going on.

How bad do you think it is outside of that?

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Igor » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:47 pm

Cadfael wrote:Okay, so your workplace is just fine. No harassment or condescension going on.


Didn't say it was fine. Just disagreed with the "most men" characterizations, and the implication that it was based on men feeling intellectually superior.

I do disagree with the idea that all harassment is being done by men in a position of authority. I think the most serious cases, as well as a good proportion of the overall cases, probably fit this model (see below). I also think there is a percentage of the "inapproptriate verbal comments" that fall into misguided dating attempts, attempts to be funny, or to be "one of the guys". Those are no less wrong, but probably don't come from the "dominating Alpha Male" mindset. If anything, I would think that much less confident men would be more likely to be engaging in that behavior.

Cadfael wrote:How bad do you think it is outside of that?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41741615

"The Radio 5 live survey, of 2,031 British adults, found that 37% of all those asked - 53% of women and 20% of men - said they had experienced sexual harassment, ranging from inappropriate comments to actual sexual assaults, at work or a place of study. More than a quarter of people surveyed had suffered harassment in the form of inappropriate jokes or "banter" and nearly one in seven had suffered inappropriate touching. Of those who had been harassed, 5 live's survey suggests one in 10 women had been sexually assaulted. More women than men were targeted by a boss or senior manager - 30% compared with 12%"

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Cadfael » Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:12 pm

Igor wrote:I do disagree with the idea that all harassment is being done by men in a position of authority.

I don't believe I said it was all. In fact I could have sworn I listed three other possible situations and then asked if anyone had any other possibilities.

But in any event it appears that the rest of the forum agrees with your viewpoint so I'm bowing out.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Madsci » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:27 pm

Igor wrote:
Madsci wrote: I saw it as a man trying to explain what a woman is saying but making some assumptions that are way off base. You were being a jerk.
That said, I am tempted to name one of our next male goat kids - Igor. Then I get to castrate him. Now that is mean!


Not sure how was I trying to explain what you were saying? I was offering my own independent opinion in response to your post, not explaining your opinion. Unless of course me having an opinion on this issue is the crux of the matter - in that case, I guess we just will have to disagree.

You need to realize most women have been sexually harassed at some time in their life. I have not had a problem in the last 25 years or so because I am an old women now. You don't seem like a creapo so well can just let this one go.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Bwis53 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:21 pm

I wonder if men who don't know how to ask are also lousy in bed? It seems the good ones are good at asking and good at it.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby snoqueen » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:23 pm

Old doesn't help any. I'm 70. I take neighborhood walks regularly with my little dog. There are two houses I avoid by going on the other side of the street or skipping those blocks because the older men living there keep hitting on me. Doesn't help one bit that their wives are sitting right inside.

[edit] Wait. Make that three. And no, I'm not super sensitive or prone to overreacting.

These aren't assaults of any kind but more like lewd, stupid remarks -- plain old harassment. I am not afraid of these people but I would not go past their houses after dark nor answer my door if one of them were knocking.

I have plenty more friendly, nice male neighbors, and I can clearly tell the difference.

This has been the story of my life and, apparently, it never ends.

In contrast, I was generally treated well in my workplaces. I have no explanation why I have had a lifetime of street harassment but reasonable co workers. I think it was random good luck on the work side.

I have other fairly shocking life experiences that are not suitable for this venue. If all the women in America started publicly listing all the inappropriate moves they've experienced in their lives, all the circuit breakers in society would overload. I mean, you just have no idea.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Bwis53 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:40 pm

Men are born from women, just like women are born from women. Only men spend the rest of their lives trying to get back in there!

Don't remember which comedian said that...

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Igor » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:53 pm

Bwis53 wrote:I wonder if men who don't know how to ask are also lousy in bed? It seems the good ones are good at asking and good at it.


If you are talking about pickup lines, I would wager that the reason some men try it is because they have seen it work. The problem is, it is normally attractive guys having success with that kind of approach, but his clueless buddy may think post hoc ergo propter hoc and figure that it is the creepy lines that are working.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby gozer » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:32 pm

snoqueen wrote:Old doesn't help any. I'm 70. I take neighborhood walks regularly with my little dog. There are two houses I avoid by going on the other side of the street or skipping those blocks because the older men living there keep hitting on me. Doesn't help one bit that their wives are sitting right inside.


the infamous "dirty old men" with something to prove, does it seem?

in theory, is that what makes them dirty old men to begin with? look at the way viagra shot to the top of the chart once it hit the streets -- somebody was buying the stuff -- lots of people apparently have a big something that they are trying trying to hide or obfuscate about . . . considered that way, it is entirely possible to have dirty old men as young as their teens, it would appear . . .

or is it a more involved deal, with something like having their wanger chakras closed up or something?

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby gargantua » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:42 pm

Bwis53 wrote:I wonder if men who don't know how to ask are also lousy in bed? It seems the good ones are good at asking and good at it.

I knew a couple of guys who followed a sort of carpet bombing philosophy. As in, if you hit on a hundred women and would get lucky once, well, they'd hit on as many as they possibly could.
Kind of like telemarketers I suppose, only about sex.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:00 pm

gargantua wrote: Kind of like telemarketers I suppose, only about sex.

Or email spammers.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby narcoleptish » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:47 am

I thought SNL might finally do a skit with someone playing Weinstein last night. Didn't see one unless I dozed through it, which is possible as it was a pretty lame show. He must still hold some sway over the industry.

Tom Cruise lampooned HW way before this shit all came out. He must really be untouchable.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby doppel » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:13 pm

Mr. Weinstein sounds like the kind of guy who would fuck a rock pile if he thought there was a snake in it.

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby DCB » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:49 pm

narcoleptish wrote:I thought SNL might finally do a skit with someone playing Weinstein last night. Didn't see one unless I dozed through it, which is possible as it was a pretty lame show. He must still hold some sway over the industry.

Tom Cruise lampooned HW way before this shit all came out. He must really be untouchable.

They did several bits about all the "sex monsters", but didn't call out Weinstein by name. Is it more cutting to mock him by name? or as to lump in with the rest of the scum?

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Re: Harvey Weinstein

Postby Bwis53 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:45 pm

DCB wrote:
narcoleptish wrote:I thought SNL might finally do a skit with someone playing Weinstein last night. Didn't see one unless I dozed through it, which is possible as it was a pretty lame show. He must still hold some sway over the industry.

Tom Cruise lampooned HW way before this shit all came out. He must really be untouchable.

They did several bits about all the "sex monsters", but didn't call out Weinstein by name. Is it more cutting to mock him by name? or as to lump in with the rest of the scum?
The jerk sicked "investigators" on his accusers.


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