Over-Ride Trump?

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Over-Ride Trump?

Postby Bwis53 » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:15 pm

If Trump declares a "national emergency", can congress over-ride him? Or the votes aren't there? And there's still the shutdown...

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Re: Over-Ride Trump?

Postby gargantua » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:26 pm

That's a complicated question. I don't know if they could override it directly. But Congress could cut off funding, and do any number of other things to make Trump's life miserable...if it wanted to.

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Re: Over-Ride Trump?

Postby snoqueen » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:58 am

If he does the national emergency thing, it's my understanding the issue would end up in the courts. The judicial branch would be the check on the power of the executive branch in this case, not the legislative branch.

But nobody really knows yet.

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Re: Over-Ride Trump?

Postby Cadfael » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:37 am

We already know how well that whole "checks and balances" thing has been working for the last couple years. What we didn't realize is that those checks and balances depend entirely on the President accepting them and following an unenforceable code of conduct.

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Re: Over-Ride Trump?

Postby jman111 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:48 am

Cadfael wrote:What we didn't realize is that those checks and balances depend entirely on the President accepting them and following an unenforceable code of conduct.

I wouldn't say 'entirely'. Congress could act, but the senate majority leader currently isn't interested.

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Re: Over-Ride Trump?

Postby Cadfael » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:28 am

I submit that Congress is not acting because Trump has installed lackeys in key positions and coerced many others into doing his bidding even if it is against the law and/or unconstitutional. In this way he deviates from the code of conduct by negating the checks and balances that get in his way.

The current setup assumes the president would not do such things and therefore depends entirely on the president to work.

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Re: Over-Ride Trump?

Postby jman111 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:39 am

Cadfael wrote:The current setup assumes the president would not do such things and therefore depends entirely on the president to work.

If this were true, there would be no true checks and balances.

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Re: Over-Ride Trump?

Postby Cadfael » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:10 am

jman111 wrote:
Cadfael wrote:The current setup assumes the president would not do such things and therefore depends entirely on the president to work.

If this were true, there would be no true checks and balances.

No. All it proves is that we implemented a faulty set of them. They need to be reworked to recognize corruption at the executive level.

One reason they failed is because responsibility for them stops at the leadership of the house. There's no continuity of responsibility after that.

In this, we (apparently) have one check currently operating in the Judicial branch: Mueller. I concede the possibility that those investigations will operate as a force against the current level of corruption. It's main problem is extremely slow operation, and that it depends entirely on Mueller, a man who is by all accounts incorruptible and more interested in using the law to bring lawbreakers to justice rather than circumventing the spirit of it.


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