"Murder after Birth"

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby you must be joking » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:29 pm

Well I have to say, birds of a feather flock together.

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam was outed for wearing a black face not once but several times while he was in college. The person who tipped off the press was upset about Ralph's comments on late term abortion or infanticide.

To my mind, the interesting thing about old Ralph is that he is a racist and also supports abortion and infanticide.

Just like Margaret Sanger who accepted an invitation and did speak to a women's chapter of the KKK in Silverlake N.J. in 1926. The same Margaret Sanger who was quoted as writing:
“We do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out the idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”


Funny how that works, planned parenthood still has the Margaret Sanger award.

They still have most of their clinics in neighborhoods that are predominately made up of minority populations.

In fact, in 2015, there were more Black Babies aborted than were born in New York City.

So it doesn't surprise me at all that old Ralph is a racist and also supports infanticide.

Oh, and if you want to accuse me of slandering him, just check your progressive democrat socialist privilege and remember that many of you and the press called for the removal of Judge Kavanaugh from being considered for a seat on the Supreme Court based on an alleged attempted sexual assault.

Oh, and speaking of allegations of sexual assault, did you see where the Lieutenant governor, Justin Fairfax has been accused of raping a woman back in 2004 at the Democratic Convention.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby gargantua » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:54 pm

The reason that most Planned Parenthood clinics are in disadvantaged neighborhoods is because the people in those neighborhoods can't afford access to other health care, outside of emergency rooms. Why, exactly, did you think they are there? Don't tiptoe around it.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby penquin » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:13 am

HawkHead wrote:I don’t believe in abortion.


Do you object to most medical procedures or just this one in particular?

I find it very ironic that you post this screaming and yelling about maybe 40 medical cases when you are happy to kick hunderds of thoudsands of people off of health insurance leading to hundreds more if not thousands more people dying from lack of adequate care.


Did ymbj actually express glee at the idea of people losing their health insurance or are you simply assuming he takes pleasure in such a thing?

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby you must be joking » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:13 am

Folks,

I'm not going to get wrapped up in any of the straw man arguments that have been presented on this topic by others.

The real question here is: Do you support the the State of New York's decision to allow a woman to terminate the life of a full term, viable baby even as she is dilating and the baby is in the birth canal?

Further: Do you support the legislation that was proposed in State of Virginia, that was voted down, that allowed a woman and her doctor to decide even after the full term, viable baby was born, to terminate the babies life?

In short: Do you support INFANTICIDE?

That is the question.

It is a YES or NO answer.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby snoqueen » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:17 am

Next thing you know, we'll be asked to sort all human actions into two piles: Good, and Bad.

The world doesn't work that way.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby BobbyB » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:20 am

you must be joking wrote:I'm not going to get wrapped up in any of the straw man arguments that have been presented on this topic by others.
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In short: Do you support INFANTICIDE?


I suspect that you don't understand at least one of the phrases you used above, perhaps more.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby pjbogart » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:17 pm

you must be joking wrote:The real question here is: Do you support the the State of New York's decision to allow a woman to terminate the life of a full term, viable baby even as she is dilating and the baby is in the birth canal?

Further: Do you support the legislation that was proposed in State of Virginia, that was voted down, that allowed a woman and her doctor to decide even after the full term, viable baby was born, to terminate the babies life?

In short: Do you support INFANTICIDE?

That is the question.

It is a YES or NO answer.


No, that's not the question. That's the question that Republican propagandists are asking, but it has nothing to do with the laws in New York or Virginia.

Factcheck.org did a breakdown of the controversy. Warning... it includes facts, so you might not want to read it.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby Cadfael » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:00 pm

Here's a suggestion. If your goal is saving the lives of children, maybe you should prioritize by the numbers of child deaths due to different causes. Work on the worst, then move on to the next worst.
Here's a starting point:
US has the worst rate of child mortality among 20 rich nations
  • The United States has a higher child mortality rate than 19 other wealthy democracies.
  • A child age 15 to 19 in the U.S. is 82 times more likely to die from gun violence than such a child in the other countries.
  • America's higher death rate for kids has persisted despite the nation spending more on health care for children than other rich countries
"Persistently high poverty rates, poor educational outcomes, and a relatively weak social safety net have made the US the most dangerous of wealthy nations for a child to be born into."

The report comes several months after Congress chose not to reauthorize spending for the Children's Health Insurance Program.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby gargantua » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:12 pm

pjbogart wrote:
you must be joking wrote:The real question here is: Do you support the the State of New York's decision to allow a woman to terminate the life of a full term, viable baby even as she is dilating and the baby is in the birth canal?

Further: Do you support the legislation that was proposed in State of Virginia, that was voted down, that allowed a woman and her doctor to decide even after the full term, viable baby was born, to terminate the babies life?

In short: Do you support INFANTICIDE?

That is the question.

It is a YES or NO answer.


No, that's not the question. That's the question that Republican propagandists are asking, but it has nothing to do with the laws in New York or Virginia.

Factcheck.org did a breakdown of the controversy. Warning... it includes facts, so you might not want to read it.

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addre ... rtion-law/

I read it. You're right, ymbj probably won't want to.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby pjbogart » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:33 am

gargantua wrote:I read it. You're right, ymbj probably won't want to.


But, but, but... it's a "yes or no question!" And this mush-brain has the nerve to complain about strawman arguments. Really, bro?

I don't know... it's like being angry at your dog for sniffing your neighbor's ass. YMBJ literally can't help himself. He's a shithead. And he gets marching orders from people who know that he's a shithead.

It's frustrating, but I really can't blame the dude. He doesn't know any better, and likely never will.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby you must be joking » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:05 am

Well, seeing that I'm getting nowhere with you on this topic I will leave a former abortion Doctor to tell his side of how he saw abortion and why he stopped doing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHNzoZ4oheU

pjbogart,

If you actually read the New York legislation as it was signed into law it gives a woman the right to have an abortion right up to the birth of her child in order to preserve the life or health of the mother.

Dr. Levatino discusses what the word "health" means in the video I have linked to above.

The child will be born dead as the abortionist will inject digoxin to stop the babies heart, then the now dead child, would be delivered whole or surgically ripped apart in order to get all of the child out of the womb. In that case, the only reason the child is not born alive is that the abortionist kills the child before it is born.

Or the abortionist can kill the child in the womb by ripping it apart as you "evacuate it" from the womb.

Consider that in most states we don't even allow the killing by lethal injection, of prisoners who have committed terrible crimes against others as it is considered "cruel and unusual punishment".

So much for us being a "civilized society".

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby Cadfael » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:16 am

The Traumatic Reality Of Who Is Really Hurt By Late-Term Abortion Laws

Crystina Irizarry
January 28 at 7:08 PM
In light of New Yorks abortion laws, I wanted to share my story for anyone that needs to hear it.

In 2006, at 21 weeks pregnant I went in to my ob/gyn for a routine ultrasound. My doctor told me they suspected my daughter had Trisomy 13. They said they needed to do an amnio to be sure. Then they asked if I wanted to terminate the pregnancy. I said, I wanted to wait until the results came back. I wasn't able to make that desicion without knowing for sure. They told me that the results would be back in 7-10 days and by that time I would be past 22 weeks and would not be allowed to have a medical abortion in my state. I had 45 minutes to make that choice. 45 minutes! I decided to wait for the results. That decision is the biggest regret of my life and I have played that conversation in my head over and over for the past 13 years :-( The results came back positive. Molly had a genetic chromosome disorder. Over the following weeks, I learned she had 2 holes in her heart, her brain was not formed properly, she didn't have eyes, she had a cleft palate, extra fingers and toes and barely functioning lungs. The only thing keeping her alive was me. They told me I probably wouldn't carry full term and if I did, her survival was unlikely. The truth was, Molly would suffer immensely if she lived past birth.

I carried Molly full term to 40 weeks, I gave birth with a team of doctors by my side and I held her in my arms for 31 minutes and watched my daughter suffocate to death.
Every single day after I found out the results were torture, delivery was torture, telling my children that after I had the baby, she would die was torture. Telling my family was torture. People would congratulate me on my pregnancy and I would smile and say Thank you because retelling my story over and over was torture.

FUCK ABORTION REGULATION! MEDICAL DESICIONS SHOULD BE BETWEEN THE PATIENT AND THE DOCTOR. PERIOD!

That was my personal, painful choice and it was taken from me by my government and states legislation.

The ptsd I still go through daily is real and debilitating some days. I will never get over this.

Molly was wanted. Molly was loved. My heart goes out to anyone denied 3rd trimester abortions! These are not people who just changed their minds, these are heartbreaking, gut wrenching, life changing stories and NOBODY gets to make those decisions for someone else.

If you want to learn more about 3rd trimester abortions or the courageous people who risk their lives providing compassion to women, I recommend watching the documentary, After Tiller. I put a link in the comments.

THANK YOU New York, Alaska, Colorado, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon and Vermont for your compassionate laws regarding 3rd trimester abortions. Thank you for trusting women and their doctors to make these excruciatingly hard choices. Thank you for your compassion❤️
#abortionrights #oneinfour #prochoice #NARAL

*******UPDATE*********I had no idea that this post would reach so many people. THANK YOU to the beautiful people who have left messages of kindness and compassion. Your words have not gone unnoticed and you have restored my faith in humanity...honestly.
To the pro birthers on this page who felt the need to spew your pro-life rhetoric. Shame on you. Your comments are cruel and disgusting. Any "devout" church-goer who casts disparagement upon others for their lifestyles and personal choices needs to sit down and worry about what punishment your God has for you and your transgressions. For according to your scripture, all sins are equal in his eyes and only he can judge. How very ignorant of you to assume that we all have the same God, beliefs and morals. If you genuinely believe that every single life matters, then I encourage you to fight for access to affordable birth control options everywhere, to support science based sex education programs, to foster one of 687,000 children in foster care right now. I encourage you to treat these mothers and post abortion women with the same love you have for their babies, to de-stigmatize unwed mother's, to hold men accountable, to fight for a liveable wage, affordable housing and decent parental leave. I encourage you to fight and vote for affordable and available healthcare. And finally, I encourage you to maintain your credibility by caring for life beyond the womb including refugees, immigrants, orphans, addicts, minorities, poor and lgbtq+.

For your argument that "God decides who lives and dies" Honestly? Really? Save the emotional manipulation for someone else. We have made humongous strides in medical technology. With vaccinations, organ transplants, IVF, vasectomies, pacemakers, diaylasis, tubal ligations, etc.. I think it's safe to say we are beyond that old, outdated thought process.
To the assholes who believe that I wanted my baby ripped to shreds. My daughter would have had an injection administered directly into her heart through my abdomen that would have stopped it immediately. She would have died peacefully in my womb instead of gasping for air. Educate yourselves.

And finally, to the many women who have messaged me with your own stories. I am so very sorry that we all belong to this same club. My heart breaks for you and I thank you with everything I have for sharing your painful stories with me. You have helped me to heal in ways that I didn't know I needed to. You have inspired me beyond belief and have lighted a fire inside of me. I will FOREVER stand, fight and vote for women to make these hard choices for themselves and their families and for all medical desicions to stay private between families and their doctors, not at the hands of our government. Thank you❤️

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby snoqueen » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:50 am

That reality should put a stop to this stupid argument based on ignorance and oversimplification.

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

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Re: "Murder after Birth"

Postby globalwarming » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:53 pm

snoqueen wrote:That reality should put a stop to this stupid argument based on ignorance and oversimplification.


Never stopped you or your white tribe.


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