Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

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Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:28 pm

Lots of sabre rattling going on. If they start fighting, which side will Trump take? Will he risk backing Ukraine and having Putin release the pee video?

Polka_Tulk wrote:There’s plenty of weapons circulating in Ukraine, huh?


This enigmatic question was posted in a climate thread, but I can make a good guess as to which side P_T would take if war breaks out.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby gargantua » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:06 pm

I expect periodic flare ups rather than all-out war, which Ukraine would lose. I think Russia will make trouble, but not invade. Putin doesn't want to be a total pariah in the world. As for Trump, he will blame both sides and not do anything of substance.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Polka_Tulk » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:29 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Lots of sabre rattling going on. If they start fighting, which side will Trump take? Will he risk backing Ukraine and having Putin release the pee video?

Polka_Tulk wrote:There’s plenty of weapons circulating in Ukraine, huh?


This enigmatic question was posted in a climate thread, but I can make a good guess as to which side P_T would take if war breaks out.


Gotcher war pron right here!
https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/04/07/the-us-is-arming-and-assisting-neo-nazis-in-ukraine-while-congress-debates-prohibition/

But wait, there's more!
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/11/17/blowback-us-funded-ukraine-neo-nazis-mentor-us-white-supremacists/

As the War Hag would say, they need to "do something" about I$I$.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:06 am

P_T claimed that Bernie Sanders is "Zio by birth." That certainly sounds like a neo-Nazi statement to me.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby nonyuppie » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:14 am

Henry Vilas wrote:P_T claimed that Bernie Sanders is "Zio by birth." That certainly sounds like a neo-Nazi statement to me.

I've never seen the term"Zio" used in disparagement (I assume it's short for "Zionist"). I've certainly never used it but many people like to be more creative in their language use.

It certainly doesn't serve to discredit everything s/he says.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:30 am

Trump Embraces Nationalism in a Massive JamPacked 99.9 % White Venue in Houston! Zio Journalists asked him if this is White Nationalism! Of course fundamentally it is as, there is no ethnic or racial group in America more Nationalist than White Americans... So What's the Problem?

David Duke

That's the problem.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Polka_Tulk » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:43 am

nonyuppie wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:P_T claimed that Bernie Sanders is "Zio by birth." That certainly sounds like a neo-Nazi statement to me.

I've never seen the term"Zio" used in disparagement (I assume it's short for "Zionist"). I've certainly never used it but many people like to be more creative in their language use.

It certainly doesn't serve to discredit everything s/he says.


It's twice as difficult to hold two defensive positions as it is to hold one.... zUkraine under the zFascists, and zIsrael, of whom no US citizen may ever speak without committing a felony Thought-Crime.

H_V may be a bit overwhelmed by the challenges to his "creature comforts". Afterall, being hit with cognitive dissonance from multiple directions all at once is hard!

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:15 pm

Yet you seem to be aligned with both Trump and David Duke. Funny that.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Polka_Tulk » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:01 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Yet you seem to be aligned with both Trump and David Duke. Funny that.


Ha! Use whatever meme gives you comfort. Trump is just a side-show, a serial bunko artist and lifelong fraudster. Nothing but ashes will be left. Yet here you are everyday, posting like it's a tennis match.

It's over, smell it. A mouthful of ashes, and dust. An American Pompeii!
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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Beaver » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:14 pm

Henry misses Roy and Ned. Is looking for other people to argue with instead.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:21 am

Beav, stick to your forte by posting more public service announcements. Or is that Shorty who does that? It gets confusing.

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Beaver » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:36 pm

From 1987, but could be useful if Russia and Ukraine escalate.

http://www.madisoncountyema.com/nwss.pdf

Nuclear War Survival Skills
Updated and Expanded
1987 Edition
Cresson H. Kearny
With Foreword by Dr. Edward Teller

"Chapter 5
Shelter, the Greatest Need
ADEQUATE SHELTER
To improve your chances of surviving a nuclear
attack, your primary need would be an adequate
shelter equipped for many days of occupancy. A
shelter that affords good protection against fallout
radiation and weather would be adequate in more
than 95% of the area of the United States. However,
even in almost all areas not endangered by blast and
fire during a massive nuclear attack, the fallout
protection provided by most existing buildings would
not be adequate if the winds blew from the wrong
direction during the time of fallout deposition.
To remain in or near cities or other probable
target areas, one would need better protection against
blast, fire, and fallout than is provided by most
shelters in buildings. Blast tests have proved that the
earth-covered expedient fallout shelters described in
this book can survive blast effects severe enough to
demolish most homes.'

This chapter is concerned primarily with
expedient shelters that give excellent protection
against fallout radiation. These earth-covered fallout
shelters could be built in 48 hours or less by tens of
millions of Americans following field-tested, written
instructions." Expedient blast shelters are discussed
in Appendix D. The special blast doors and other
design features needed for effective blast protection
require more work, materials, and skill than are
needed for expedient fallout shelters.

If average Americans are to do their best when
building expedient shelters and life-support equipment
for themselves, they need detailed information
about what to do and about why it is to their
advantage to do it. We are not a people accustomed
to blindly following orders. Unfortunately, during a
crisis threatening nuclear war, it would take too long
to read instructions explaining why each important
feature was designed as specified. Therefore, only a
few reasons are included in the step-by-step,
illustrated instructions given in Appendix A for
building 6 types of earth-covered expedient shelters
during a crisis.

In this chapter, reasons will be given for designing
a Pole-Covered Trench Shelter as specified in the
Oak Ridge National Laboratory instructions given
in Appendix A.2. The two pages of drawings and
plans given at the end of Appendix A.2 show the parts
of this' shelter, except for the essential shelterventilating
pump installed in its entrance trench. The
following account of how an urban family, after
evacuating, used these instructions to build such a
shelter in less than 36 hours also includes
explanations of various radiation dangers and of
simple means to build protection against these
dangers.

This family, like scores of other families
recruited to build shelters or life-support equipment,
was offered a sum about equivalent to laborers' wages
if its members completed the experiment within a
specified time. The test period began the moment the
family received the written, illustrated instructions
preparatory to evacuating by car, as mentioned in the
preceding chapter. Like the other test families, this
family was paid for all ofits materials used. Ifa family
worked hard and completed the project in half the
specified time, it was paid a cash bonus. Throughout
such tests workers were guided only by the written
instructions, which were improved after each
successive test."

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:47 pm

What type of weaponry will you have to keep your bunker safe from the hoards that want to come in?

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Re: Will Ukraine and Russia go to war?

Postby gargantua » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:49 pm

If the local target is Truax, I'm afraid I live far enough away to not die immediately from the blast effects. If they hit the Capitol I probably won't be around to worry about anything.


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