Climate change report

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Re: Climate change report

Postby Polka_Tulk » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:13 am

DCB wrote:
you must be joking wrote:Ah yes, climate change.

I wonder, why did they change the words from Global Warming to Climate Change?

The only people who would have to give up anything are the fossil fuel companies. Exxon might drop from being the biggest corporation on the planet to only being in the top 10. (top 100 if they really fuck it up).


Inserting climate 'whateverwesayitistoday' into political or economic policy will just carve out a fat slice of cake for those who brought us this mess in the first place, funding their hegemonical ventures with the biggest carbon cap and trade ponzi casino in history, looting mom and pop taxpayers at the gas pumps and utility bills and kicking them to the curb with assistance from the Scientrocracy Unicornist Elites. Besides, the burning of corpses for energy is carbon neutral they say.
https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/12/13/inside-tent-big-polluters-work-shape-paris-agreement-rules-un-climate-talks

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Re: Climate change report

Postby DCB » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:25 am

Polka_Tulk wrote:
Inserting climate 'whateverwesayitistoday' into political or economic policy will just carve out a fat slice of cake for those who brought us this mess in the first place, funding their hegemonical ventures with the biggest carbon cap and trade ponzi casino in history, looting mom and pop taxpayers at the gas pumps and utility bills and kicking them to the curb with assistance from the Scientrocracy Unicornist Elites. Besides, the burning of corpses for energy is carbon neutral they say.
https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/12/13/inside-tent-big-polluters-work-shape-paris-agreement-rules-un-climate-talks


"I refuse to accept the facts of climate change because the policy implications will enrich our corporate oligarchy".

A variation on the "I refuse to accept the facts of climate change because the policy implications will detract from our corporate oligarcy".

But not substantially different, really.

And in the meantime people continue being incinerated in their homes and drowning in the streets.

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Re: Climate change report

Postby Cadfael » Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:28 am

I think polka is saying that if the corps try to insert themselves into the global climate change mitigation process, we have to let them, because they have already won and Polka is pointing that out to us, in a very loud fashion, and there's nothing at all we can do about it, because everything we do helps the very rich, and the only thing possible to do is shout about it on a forum somewhere, to make sure everyone knows we can't win. Because we've already lost.

In this way, he helps humanity.

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Re: Climate change report

Postby Polka_Tulk » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:04 pm

Cadfael wrote:I think polka is saying that if the corps try to insert themselves into the global climate change mitigation process, we have to let them, because they have already won and Polka is pointing that out to us, in a very loud fashion, and there's nothing at all we can do about it, because everything we do helps the very rich, and the only thing possible to do is shout about it on a forum somewhere, to make sure everyone knows we can't win. Because we've already lost. In this way, he helps humanity.


Heh heh heh!! And now comes Papa in his white-and-gold robe, paving the way for a Global Warming Caliphate, that will not only tax every last penny you haven't hidden, but impact every human on earth with an unelected super-authority global apparatchiks, with zero accountability and zero transparency. In a couple of years a beautiful coronation in a blue crepe hag sack and rhinestone scepter will bring on a business as usual scenario of ongoing emmisions, banning barbecues, kill all dogs and cats, and cook with animal dung damn you!! You may now return to your daily 5 Minutes of H8 war pron fest.
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Re: Climate change report

Postby gargantua » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:11 pm

I'm not nearly as optimistic as you are, sunshine. There isn't enough animal dung for the both of us!

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Re: Climate change report

Postby gozer » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:51 am

it was bush xliii who proposed changing the rhetoric from global warming to climate change . . . the problem with global warming is easier to visualise -- like whole counties in california going up in smoke in minutes to tropical storms on the north american great lakes to more years like 2018 around here because the middle west will have a de facto south-east monsoon every year . . . the last time that climate was static was 735m years ago when the earth was a giant snowball for millions and millions of years. who wants that? not even snowmobile manufacturers, i would think. . .

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Re: Climate change report

Postby JoeT » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:56 am

I liked what garg said about wasting bandwidth, but thought it might be worthwhile to pick up where gozer left off. I find it useless to argue with propagandists, but it does serve some purpose for everyone else to get the facts straight.

The notion that somehow THEY changed the words from "global warming" to "climate change" is utter bullshit. For anyone is who is even remotely intellectually curious, all they could have done is go to google scholar and do a search for "global warming". I got over 19,000 hits. Oh yeah. THAT was for 2018. Only. I guess someone didn't get the memo.

Global warming is about the globe ... uuhhhh, ummm ... warming. Climate change or climatic change is actually the far older term and refers ---- in the recent past --- to the vast changes in the climate due to that warming. Going further back it can also refer to the nonanthropogenic changes that have occurred throughout the planet's history. But more recently, it refers to changes like those in the hydrological cycle: melting glaciers, rising sea level, droughts, floods, increasing salinity in fresh water resources. Also hurricanes, distortions in the jet stream, wildfires, animal migrations, vector-borne diseases and so on. The term 'global warming' began around the 60s or so and then became increasingly popular after Wally Broecker's paper in 1975, Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?. See what he did there? He used both the older term climatic change AND the newer term 'global warming'. Oh yeah, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, formed in 1988 was never the Intergovernmental Panel on Global Warming.

As to gozer's point, there was indeed one individual who actually advocated FOR POLITICAL REASONS using the term "climate change" instead of that horrible word "global warming". That was Frank Luntz. You can read it about it here: Memo exposes Bush's new green strategy. Or read the actual memo here


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