is that the merck logo on her right arm? (our left)
Cadfael wrote:nonyuppie wrote:Clinton lost my vote because of what she had already done in government and what she said she would do if elected. It had nothing to do with her campaign strategy or skill as a campaigner. (This has nothing to do with the quote above but it's a real hassle to do it right on a Kindle and it needed to be said.)
Did you just tell us you voted for Trump?
gargantua wrote:nonyuppie wrote:gargantua wrote:Occasionally, when it's really obvious, I ask a Facebook troll how the weather is in Moscow, or are the mosquitoes bad there. Hell, might as well have a little fun with it.
What's fun about having your patriotism and basic human decency questioned because you disagree with someone? It's happened to me in this forum and elsewhere and I don't like it one damn bit. But you wouldn't be the first to say that I don't have a sense of humor.
I don't know what your comment about the first part of my post has to do with my actual post. It was about different people in a different social media platform. And you didn't see the comments I was responding to, so how on earth would you know if what I said to them was appropriate or not?
You know what? Never mind. I don't care for irrational anger and I don't have to put up with it.
nonyuppie wrote:Cadfael wrote:nonyuppie wrote:Clinton lost my vote because of what she had already done in government and what she said she would do if elected. It had nothing to do with her campaign strategy or skill as a campaigner. (This has nothing to do with the quote above but it's a real hassle to do it right on a Kindle and it needed to be said.)
Did you just tell us you voted for Trump?
Cadfael wrote:nonyuppie wrote:Cadfael wrote:Did you just tell us you voted for Trump?
Which was the same as not voting
Cadfael wrote:Not like you could actually wonder about it.
nonyuppie wrote:Been through this so many times there's not much point in doing it again. I'll just say, I disagree.
Two days before the 2016 presidential election, an Instagram account called @woke_blacks posted a message in support of long-shot Green Party candidate Jill Stein.
“The excuse that a lost Black vote for Hillary is a Trump win is bs,” it read. “It could be late, but y’all might want to support Jill Stein instead.”
The fact that the Russian propaganda apparatus helped create awareness and support for her candidacy and promoted her candidacy is critical to our understanding of Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Weiss said Moscow's support for Stein in fact began well before she became a presidential candidate.
“The Russian embrace of fringe voices like Stein goes back more than a decade to the earlier days of RT,” said Weiss.
Weiss also noted that the Stein campaign parroted the Russian position on Ukraine in 2016 and criticized the U.S. for installing a government in Kiev “hostile to Russia.”
In the closing weeks of the campaign, RT quoted Stein suggesting that Hillary Clinton could lead the U.S. into a nuclear war with Russia and saying Trump was a safer choice.
“Is Stein a fellow traveler or a useful idiot?” Watts asked rhetorically. “I don’t know, but even after the election she played into Russia disinformation by pursuing a recount so heavily and claiming election fraud. This was a post-election coup for Kremlin propagandists.”
Weather Bob wrote:I think Cadfael is basically correct. Voting for Stein, or Johnson, or writing in "Lizard People" or your own name or whatever, is pretty much equivalent to not voting. It's throwing away your opportunity to contribute a very small push (your vote) to steer the country towards a better outcome and away from a worse outcome.
Weather Bob wrote:I'll just put my two cents in as well: remember Florida 2000. A tiny handful of votes could have thrown the Presidential election the other way, meaning no Iraq invasion, no Guantanamo Bay, no Abu Ghraib, no John Yoo, no Dick Cheney, etc. No matter how imperfect you think the Democrats are, at this point in time the Republicans are a heck of a lot worse.
Trump's election is a similar case, except the margin wasn't quite as close, so the moral cost of not voting was less awful.
nonyuppie wrote: Counterfactual arguments include:
1) What if people had started voting for anti-war candidates in the 1980s? We might not have gotten the Clintons in the first place. We might have gotten the peace dividend we were promised instead of Cold War II.
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