"All Jews Must Die"

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:02 am

david cohen wrote:
gargantua wrote:I'm sorry that happened to you. I really don't understand that kind of behavior. It seems, well, crazy to me.

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. . . Needless to say, they found out that shit rolls downhill, but the damage was done. Our daughter still laughs about how those boys are all working at Culvers while she is applying to Ivy League PhD programs, . . .


karma's a bitch, and this is maybe an illustration of how prejudice and discrimination &c figuratively imprisons the perpetrator as much or more than the intended victim in the end . . . look at what happened to dan white in san francisco years ago . . .

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby david cohen » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:18 am

And let's NOT FORGET that a white guy hunted down 2 black strangers in Louisville this past week and murdered them in cold blood for no other reason than to watch them die....after he unsuccessfully tried to get into a black church to kill people:(

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:43 am

Cadfael wrote:Image


when i increased the magnification on the cartoon and put on my spectacles i was able to see that uncle sam was brandishing a spanner . . . at first blush it looked like a riding crop for some reason . . .
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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:49 am

Beaver wrote:The title of this thread could be improved or softened.


not really -- it deals with a very troubling truth that in this particular time and place gets to fly under the radar so to speak because a lot of people are genuinely shocked that this particular type of malediction and worse still exists . . . so folks need to see it unexpurgated so that they know what is really going on . . .

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby Weather Bob » Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:53 am

I used to think there was some kind of bright line between "normal" Republicans (even very conservative ones) and the alt-right.

But then Flanders started using alt-right code words like "cuck" in his posts here. I had always thought of him as an aggressively partisan but fundamentally "normal" Republican.

Now here's where we are:

* Congressman Steve King (R-IA) endorses a neo-Nazi fringe candidate for mayor of Toronto.

* Mere hours after Bowers shot up the PA synagogue -- because he believed that Jews were funding a "caravan" to attack America -- Fox News promoted that very same conspiracy theory.

* The ADL's database shows that antisemitic incidents in the US have increased 57% since Trump was elected.

And so on. It's extremely disturbing. The Lou Dobbs segment on Fox, linked above, is particularly appalling. It's right out of 1930s Germany. And it was broadcast right after the synagogue shootings, and it explicitly endorsed the exact same conspiracy theory that motivated the shooter.

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby Paleo2 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:52 am

At some point some politicians always say “this is not who were are”.

Really? A nation formed by slaveowners on land stolen through genocide? And intolerance is “not who we are”?

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:39 pm

there is actually a ku klux klan in canada which has been there since around the time the second united states iteration of the klan started circling the drain after the scandals in indiana, 1924-7 . . . they have been mainly in ontario and the west and it was more focused on roman catholics and first nations folks as well as immigrants to varying extents . . . canada outlawed slavery 30 years before the united states so there was that one parallel, but it was never to the extent that it was in the southern united states. there is also an australian klan and another one in the united kingdom, and possibly also new zealand, ireland, and belgium . . .

the canadian klan and a consortium of mercenaries, people who don't like income taxes, and codeine and c-jam enthusiasts made common cause with the david duke crowd to try to take over dominica in 1983, after considering and voting against doing so in grenada and suriname . . . a rather poorly-concealed law enforcement surveillance operation on the crew brought them down before it was fully underway in a keystone cops type deal . . . if i remember correctly, this escapade known as operation red dog landed several people in the calaboose for violating the united states' neutrality act 1935, as well as other charges involving ripping off firearms and explosives and the like i seem to recall . . .
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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby Weather Bob » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:18 pm

The apparent spark for the worst anti-Semitic massacre in American history was a racist hoax inflamed by a U.S. president seeking to help his party win a midterm election.


https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/574213

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:35 pm

Weather Bob wrote:I used to think there was some kind of bright line between "normal" Republicans (even very conservative ones) and the alt-right.


there may or may not be; i tend to think so for a few reasons . . . one of them being is that i recall them being through that kind of rigamarole with folks like david duke and some of the candidates they got in the first full-scale congressional election (2010) after the launching of the tea party movement -- and at the end of the day, there are people higher up in the party whose livelihood depends on the party remaining relevant and having dues and donations pour in. why shit in their own nest?

one thing i read about in the globe & mail some time ago was these kinds of dog whistle things on social media and elsewhere, with one which i have not seen here but have encountered elsewhere is the thing with the three pair of parentheses . . .


But then Flanders started using alt-right code words like "cuck" in his posts here. I had always thought of him as an aggressively partisan but fundamentally "normal" Republican.
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did he do so in cases that didn't involve actual, literal cuckoldry? i don't recall that he did; i remember it only in one case which actually involved two actual, quite literal, cases of cuckoldry, that being the discussion of the fast girl book by s f hamilton which deals with, in part, the cuckolding of her old man, and then a foron flipping his lid about the discussion, probably because it hit a little close to home . . . in cases like that, i think it behooves folks to write out the entire word to prevent potential misunderstandings. it is not a trivial thing by any means.

i agree with u about mr soros maybe ²⁹⁄₃₂ or so -- i first saw soros used as a code word in dog whistle politics by both the far right and extreme left wings of occupy wall street as well as ostensible fellow travellers angry about the near east situation, but people should also remember what his media organisation in croatia did for a number of years trying (and the same thing elsewhere too) to destabilise the situation and break down societal cohesion at a time when the designs of thatcher, g h w b, their successors* in office and milošević et al had on central europe as a whole were still very much an open question . . . now, of course, i've never heard the alt right voice an opinion about it, naturally . . . there were apparently protesters with signs blaming israel and the jewish community in diaspora for the terrorist attacks in new york, washington, and pennsylvania less than 15 hours after 7 world trade centre crumbled.

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* of course president clinton ended up being very helpful with that and other parts of the same situation -- add that to actually fixing the northern ireland problem and i really wonder why he didn't get at least one nobel prize . . .

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:49 pm

It isn't just Flanders with using "cuck" as Polka_Tulk said Bernie Sanders was a Zio (a white nationalist, neo-Nazi term) by birth.

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby Bwis53 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:01 pm



Maybe because they realize

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
"First they came ..." is a poem written by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

so true!

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:48 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:It isn't just Flanders with using "cuck" as Polka_Tulk said Bernie Sanders was a Zio (a white nationalist, neo-Nazi term) by birth.


yes, i remember that . . . but can he or she be correctly categorised as a republican of any type e g liberal, moderate, conservative, reactionary, populist-right? i have been starting to think maybe more like heterodox maoist of some type is more like it, u know, sort of like the p c p - sendero luminoso in peru?

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby Paleo2 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:05 pm

I looked at the comments section at one of the alt-right sites the killer* frequented.
There are several different groups in the alt-right:
Some are anti-Semites, blaming Jews, esp. Soros, for everything, and a subset of these are actual neo-nazis. Some of these are still claiming these terrorist attacks are "false flag" operations.

There are others who are pro-Jewish, or even Jewish (such as Robert Spencer, who is one of the most prominent anti-Muslim figures on the alt-right). They don't think these are "false flag" operations at all.

And some in the middle.

Until very recently, people would make anti-Semitic comments quite frequently, such as the use of triple parenthesis to signify Jews. Such as (((Soros))) for example.

After the Pittsburgh killings, the pro-Jewish folks on the alt-right are really taking the anti-Semites to task. I don't know what will happen, if this will lead to a split in the alt-right.

As for other groups of conservatives:

The neo-cons are pretty much universally pro-Israel, esp. pro-Likud. Many of the leaders of the neo-cons are Jewish, in fact. Others, such as George W. Bush, are not.

The Christian Right is very pro-Israel. My Jewish sister-in-law once found herself sitting with some of the VERY top figures of the Christian Right at a Hanukkah dinner. It was no accident. The local Jewish community considered this guy to be their #1 ally among the Gentiles.

So what does this mean?

It does NOT mean that anti-Semitism is going away. In fact, there seems to be more and more of it on the left, sadly.

What it means is anti-Semitism among the alt-right is finally being challenged. Some of the Jews in the alt-right, and their supporters, are getting more than a little sick of putting up with the neo-Nazis.

I have no idea what will happen next. Not a clue.



* I don't want to give him any publicity by using his name.

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Re: "All Jews Must Die"

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:31 pm

if they have not already, i imagine that the f b i and/or marshals' service and/or others are busy taking down any trace of him on the world wide web like they did with the heavens' gate organisation in 1997 et al . . . does that actually accomplish anything? maybe instead they should ask site admins to put the evildoer's handle in :(-->some kind of different punctuation<--): or something and keep up the posts as write-protected red text from a permanently suspended (rather than erased) account as a means of conferring everlasting opprobrium. why? because those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it . . .


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