Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby gargantua » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:08 pm

Good job on the cleaning up and repost! As for the NRA, I have to believe that they already have a tightly run propaganda machine. Its weakness, which we see here, is that it's designed to rally their base. And I imagine their base agreed that doctors need to STFU if they favor any gun regulations at all. I don't know how much they care about what the rest of us may think. It hasn't seemed to hurt them so far.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby Cadfael » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:24 pm

In this particular case I disagree. They can't be nonchalant about galvanizing a group with an organized infrastructure, large amounts of statistics, monetary resources, excellent writing and speaking skills, and ethics. At least some of them must be having second thoughts.

In private, of course. They're really good at hiding that shit.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:01 pm

One of the most accurate (IMO) articles I've read on the 2nd, leaving open a few Qs about the slave states expressing fears that Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15 & 16 gave federal Congress the power to disarm their slave patrols during ratification of the Constitution (1789) until a promise made to revisit the issue in a Bill of Rights.

(unable to get the WaPo link)

What the Second Amendment really meant to the Founders
Their arguments had far less to do with today's debates than partisans think.

1. The Founding Fathers were devoted to the militia.

Read the debates about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and the militia’s importance leaps off the page...

3. The authors of the Bill of Rights were not concerned with an “individual” or “personal” right to bear arms.

Before the landmark 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, courts had ruled that the right of individual citizens to bear arms existed only within the context of participation in the militia. In Heller, the Supreme Court overturned that precedent...

4. The Founding Fathers were very concerned about who should, or should not, be armed.

These restrictions on militia membership are critically important to understand. Because despite the words of the Second Amendment, 18th-century laws did infringe on Americans’ right to bear arms...
The restrictions underscore a key point about militias: They were more effective as domestic police forces than they were on the battlefield against enemy nations; and they were most effective when they were policing the African American population.
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At its best, the Second Amendment was a commitment to citizen participation in public life and a way to keep military power under civil control. At its worst, it was a way for whites to maintain their social domination.

In today’s America, the echoes of 18th-century racial politics still weigh down our society, while the new republic’s commitment to citizen participation is nowhere to be found.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 pm

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:46 pm

It turns out that the reporting of gunfire incidents is extremely low. Based on data from January 2011 through June 2013 in D.C., only 22 percent of gunfire results in a 911 call, which could include calls for an ambulance. Twenty-one percent of gunfire results in a call for police assistance, which could include calls to report a crime, such as an assault with a dangerous weapon (the relevant offense if someone fires a gun at you). Even if someone calls 911 from the scene to report an injury or crime, we might expect that nearby residents would call 911 to report hearing gunshots, just in case someone needs help. In fact, only 12 percent of gunfire incidents resulted in a 911 call to report shots fired.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.brooki ... orted/amp/

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Postby Cadfael » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:53 pm

Justice Department Bans Bump Stocks, Devices Used In Deadly Las Vegas Shooting
Under a new federal rule announced Tuesday by the Justice Department, bump stocks will be redefined as "machine guns" and therefore outlawed under existing law.

The new regulations, which were signed by acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, will take effect 90 days after being published in the Federal Register. A Justice Department official said that would likely happen Friday.

Current bump stock owners will have the 90 days before the new rule takes effect to either destroy the devices they own or turn them in to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The new regulations could face legal challenges from the National Rifle Association, bump stock owners or manufacturers. A Justice Department official said the department is confident in its analysis and is prepared to defend the new rule in court if needed.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jman111 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 2:01 pm

TRUMP IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!!1!1!

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:28 am

The victim told police he and a buddy were hanging out, and this friend wasn’t armed but he was carrying two handguns, a long gun and a machete-type knife in a sheath, according to the release.

The victim’s friend told police his friend was trying to make a statement about the right to bear arms, and had been on State Street a couple of times practicing open carry, police said. The friend also told police another one of their goals that night was to get phone numbers from women.


Second Amendment freedom fighter becomes a victim on State Street

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby gargantua » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:35 pm

Considering all the concerns about mass shootings in public, it is highly irresponsible to walk around in public like that whether it's legal or not.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:46 pm

It'd be hilarious to consider that people have become so brainwashed into a "Us V. Them" mentality that they think open carry is somehow a patriotic duty, of brave or something, if it wasn't so tragic that they're more worried about that than coming up with solutions to gun violence.

I bet that guy is getting a ribbing from the good ole' boys back home for allowing a homeless dude to disarm him :)

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby snoqueen » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:37 pm

I liked how they thought this was a good way to meet girls on State Street.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby Cadfael » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:42 pm

I was annoyed that the article didn't say whether it worked or not. From my most recent experiences on State Street, I'd give it even odds if I had to bet.

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Re: Wouldn't it be great if everybody had a gun?

Postby penquin » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:14 am

Reading the story recently linked, I had to wonder if jonny's real name is Melvin...'cause that sounds exactly like something he'd do.

And yes - the kid with the two long rifles and handgun was pretty damn stupid as well. But only one of those two lads were stupid enough to be arrested.

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Re: per Bwiss's request, moved to the proper thread

Postby penquin » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:15 am

snoqueen wrote:Take the guns out of the pockets/purses of the mall shoppers that day and the young man would likely still be among us today.


If that's the only factoid you're looking at, while disregarding everything else, you would be absolutely correct. Just like we could only look at one car accident where someone died while wearing a seatbelt and state that seatbelts don't save lives.

By stating that facts don't matter people are then forced to respond in only an emotional manner rather than logical/factual - that same type of "Reefer Madness" mentality which brought us the War on Drugs is bringing us the War on Firearms.


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