Israel's war crimes

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue May 15, 2018 8:32 pm

After multiple generations have been refugees from their homeland, those people often get desperate. A lesson from history.

While that applies to both sides, 70 years in a barbed wire encampment and no homeland is hard to bear.

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Tue May 15, 2018 8:54 pm

Cast Lead? Operation "Protective Hedge?" Does it even matter? Any excuse will do as long as the objective is still in sight.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." - David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff.

"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their (The Palestinian's) fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Ben Gurion quoted by Nahum Goldmann.

"The state of Israel must invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the methods of provocation and revenge.... And above all, let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." -From the diary of Israeli Prime Minister in 1954/55, Moshe Sharett,

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist." -- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple." -- Yitzhak Shamir, former Prime Minister of Israel, 02/21/1997.

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." -- Benyamin Netanyahu, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.

"...there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Tue May 15, 2018 11:25 pm

The actual exodus...

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/5/15/ ... life_nakba

“The Disaster of My Life”: Nakba Survivor on the Day Israelis Bombed & Invaded His Village in 1948

Palestinians are staging a new round of protests in Gaza today to mark the 70th anniversary of the Nakba, or the Day of Catastrophe, when more than 700,000 Palestinians were forced to flee or were expelled from their homes.

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:59 pm

Israel has shot about 6 doctors/medics during their last attack

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pales ... 1701222793

Razan al-Najjar, a 21-year-old female paramedic, was shot dead while 100 Palestinians were injured during a protest in Gaza

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:15 pm

Trump is finally taking action, but not in a good way.

U.S. Plans to Withdraw From U.N. Human Rights Council Today

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:40 am

They've murdered a couple hundred so far including journalists, medics, Doctors, etal. as too much of the world looks the other way.

https://www.juancole.com/2018/11/israel ... m=facebook

"Israeli Snipers Shoot 6 Children, 9 Women & 22 Other Unarmed Protesters in Gaza"
Juan Cole
11/10/2018

And all we have to worry about are Nazis in Charlottesville...

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:10 am

Blue baby syndrome. Who, but who controls their water supply?

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featu ... 34881.html

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Nov 21, 2018 3:56 pm

"Did Israel Kill Yasser Arafat? Stunning Investigation Exposes Israel’s Secretive Assassination Program"

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/21 ... t_stunning

Israeli intelligence officials desperately tried to prevent Ronen Bergman from writing “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations,” a stunning book exposing the details of Israel’s extrajudicial killing program. Israel even changed and extended secrecy laws to prevent Bergman from gaining access to historical documents. Despite this, Bergman gained unprecedented access while writing the book, scouring thousands of documents and meeting with some 1,000 sources.

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby gargantua » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:15 pm

I'm surprised that they didn't kill him.

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:33 am

The whole thing is crazy...

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:44 pm

Facebook blocked Yair Netanyahu, the eldest son of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for sharing what the social media giant called "hate speech" about Muslims and Palestinians.
The social media site suspended Yair Netanyahu's account for 24 hours on Sunday after he shared a series of posts that many online complained were violating the platform's community standards.

In one post, he reportedly said he was hopeful that the deaths of two Israeli soldiers who were killed by a Palestinian gunman would be "avenged," saying: "There will never be peace with the monsters in human form known since 1964 as 'Palestinians.' "


This is the reason why Israel will never accept peace with Palestine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/netanyahu’s-son-blocked-from-facebook-for-posts-promoting-hate-speech/ar-BBR7MJ0?ocid=spartandhp

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:53 am

Israel's refusal to accept responsibility for mass murdering innocent Palestinians for decades, and continually destroying the peace process in its quest to steal more land, is the deeper reason why there won't be peace.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljaze ... 06561.html

"Since protests began on March 30, Israeli forces have killed at least 214 Palestinians and wounded more than 18,000."
11-12-2017
The Great March of Return rallies culminated on May 15 to mark what Palestinians refer to as the Nakba, or Catastrophe - a reference to the forced removal of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes and villages to clear the way for Israel's establishment in 1948.

Sunday, October 28
Israeli air raid kills three Palestinian boys...
Friday, October 26
Israeli forces have fired live bullets and rubber-coated steel rounds at Palestinians protesting along the fence of Israel, killing at least five of them and wounding a further 170...
Friday, October 19
Israeli soldiers have wounded at least 130 Palestinians including 25 children...
Friday, October 12
Seven killed, dozens more injured. Israeli forces have killed seven Palestinians, including two teenage boys...
Friday, October 5
Three Palestinians, including minor, killed by Israeli fire...
Wednesday, October 3
Palestinian teenager killed, 24 others injured...
Friday, September 28
Six Palestinians killed, including two children...

It's as if the deaths of innocent Palestinians are in their own special category, and not to be taken into account for the response that resulted in the soldiers' deaths.

If this is ever to be resolved, a person can't start from the vantage point that Israel has a right to kill thousands of innocent people, destroy 10s of thousands of their homes, steal their resources and land, cut off outside aid, influence US politicians to pass or attempt to pass laws illegalizing criticism of Israel, etal.

There is the equally important question of what would Palestinians do once empowered. Let's just say that if they started acting like Israel is now, they'd most likely be shut down by an international force rather quickly.

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:01 pm

Does Israel practice two different legal systems for Israeli settlers and non-Israeli Palestinians living in Area C, West Bank?

Yes, they do. The law - and which legal and judicial system you would fall under - is tied to the person, not the place in Area C.

A settler and a West Bank Palestinian can commit the exact same crime, in the exact same location and face very different punishments meted out under different courts of law.

Israel settlers live under the Israeli regular civil law, despite being outside of Israel proper. This includes wherever they are in the West Bank - including outside of the settlement areas.

West Bank Palestinians live under the Israeli military occupation court system. This includes if they are - for whatever reason - inside settlements.

Examples: It becomes especially egregious as it comes to minors. Before October 2011, West Bank Palestinians were considered adults at age 16, whereas settlers in the same area were considered adults at age 18 (1).Thankfully Israel has rectified this injustice - but plenty of work remains.

Differences in application of the age of majority still persist though:

"During his trial, it emerged that despite being a minor he was arrested in the middle of the night, questioned without the presence of his parents and held for many hours without sleep despite complaining of fatigue. He was also not allowed to meet with his counsel before questioning, even though he had arrived at the interrogation facility." (2)

This example by CSMonitor is also salient: The boys were both 15, with the crackly voices and awkward peach fuzz of adolescence. They lived just a few minutes away from one another in the West Bank. And both were accused of throwing stones at vehicles, one day after the other.
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Only 53 Israeli settler youths were arrested for stone-throwing over the past six years, the data shows, and 89 percent were released without charge. Six were indicted. Four of those were found "guilty without conviction," a common sentence for Israeli juveniles that aims not to stain their record.
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By contrast, 1,142 Palestinian youths were arrested by police over the same period for throwing stones, and 528 were indicted. All were convicted. Lawyers say the penalty is typically three to eight months in military prison.
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The [Israeli] boy... was brought to the Hebron region police station at 9 p.m., with his father by his side. In his interrogation, the boy invoked his right to remain silent. He spent a night in the station and four days under house arrest. Then he was freed without charge.
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Two weeks later, at 3:30 a.m., Israeli soldiers kicked down the door to the Palestinian boy's bedroom, carried him to a jeep, blindfolded him and tied his hands behind his back with plastic handcuffs, he said. He was slapped by soldiers, kept awake all night and placed in a military jail cell with 10 other Palestinian youths, he said.

It would be more than nine months before he could go free. (3)

Another illustrative yet terrible example is that of Amiram Ben Uliel - the Jewish Israeli settler who burned a family to death. Amiram Ben Uliel lived in Area C, and the family he torched lived in a village in Area B (Duma). At no point did his crime have anything to do with sovereign Israeli territory - yet he was charged in a civilian court in Lod (4). A Palestinian terrorist would be charged in Israeli military court - why is Amiram deemed to be above the laws of the land by the Knesset?

Acquittal rates: The military court system is a bit of a kangaroo court. Being charged practically guarantees a conviction.

In 2010, out of a total of 9542 cases, 25 were acquitted. That means the courts have a conviction rate of 99.74%. (5)

A comment I frequently hear when citing this statistic, is that the conviction rates in criminal courts in Israel proper are equally or at least very high.

This overview paper on research done on the topic indicates that the conviction rate in criminal courts in Israel proper is either 70% or 88.6%, depending on what source you trust. (6)

Torture: Palestinian detainees - primarily under administrative detention - are tortured (7). In 1999, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that torture was not allowed - except for in extreme circumstances. ACRI has this to say on that development:

In extraordinary circumstances, interrogators that will independently decide to break the law may later on, when brought to justice, try and use "the necessity defense": that they have acted out of extreme necessity in order to save innocent lives.

That narrow opening has proved to be not so narrow. For the [Shin Bet], necessity became routine. What was perhaps envisioned as independent action in extraordinary circumstances, to be later defended in a court of law, turned into the granting of a-priori authorizations to harm detainees by the interrogator’s supervisor or by the head of the [Shin Bet], according to established procedures known to interrogators, prosecutors and judges as “the necessity interrogation procedure.” An unknown number of suspects have been thus interrogated since 1999. (9)

The Israeli attorney general Yehuda Weinstein has effectively opened the floodgates, and actively stated he will not prosecute any Shin Bet officers for torturing a suspect. (10, 11)

Legal rationale: The rationale for this is a little complicated - and goes into whether the area is disputed or occupied. If it is occupied, Israel can not change the law of the land other than in some circumstances. If it is - as Israel argues - disputed, and the laws of occupation do not apply, Israel is not bound to maintaining the law of the land.

As it comes to settlers - Israel chooses to apply civilian law and not military law to them. This is entirely up to Israel, and they could change it overnight - they could make settlers subject to the military occupation law if they wanted to. If they cared about equality for before the law, that is what they would do. (12)

Straight from the horse’s mouth - the IDF Military Advocate General: The Knesset decided to extend Israeli law to all Israeli civilians in the occupied territories, no matter where:

“Furthermore, the Israeli Kenneset (parliament) has de facto implemented the general Israeli provisions of criminal legislation upon those citizens residing in Judea and Samaria.

This was achieved by granting jurisdiction to the Israeli courts "…to judge according to the applicable Israeli law, a person who is located in Israel for his/her acts or omissions which occurred in Judea and Samaria and also an Israeli for his/her acts or omissions which occurred in land under the Palestinian Authority if the act or omission were offences if occurring within the jurisdictional scope of the Israeli courts" (article 2(a) The validity extension law of the emergency regulations ordinance 1967).

As a result of applying domestic legislation, Israelis who commit offences in Judea and Samaria are usually tried in Israeli courts.” (13)

I am not sure what is basing his perspective on - but this is the IDF clearly stating that Israeli citizens in the West Bank are subject to Israeli civil law and courts.

It might be a different matter as it comes to some labor regulations, but criminal offenses are tried in Israeli civilian courts.

Recent developments: Following recent criticisms of Israel's handling of extremely egregious Jewish terror attacks - such as the , for which Jewish settlers have been indicted for burning a Palestinian baby to death - Israel has applied the military laws normally reserved for Palestinians to Jewish terrorists.

For example, they have been kept under administrative detention (detention without conviction), and have likely been tortured. (14)

Lastly: This system of separate and unequal laws in the same territory isn't exactly news. It has been around since the settlement enterprise started, and it is hard to see it as anything other than akin to apartheid. Israel could institute equality before the law for settlers and West Bank Palestinians in Area C at the drop of a hat - but chooses not to do so. The method of doing so would be to have everybody face the same set of military courts.

Depending on where you fall on the political spectrum, you might not like the ACRI or what their reports bring up. However, when it comes to facts - such as the separate legal systems - they do not lie.

Footnotes:
(1) https://www.btselem.org/legislation/201 ... ge_changed
(2) http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 55,00.html
(3)
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest- ... et-of-laws
(4) https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/isr ... -1.5385123
(5) https://972mag.com/conviction-rate-for- ... ent/28579/
(6) http://www.lifescienceglobal.com/pms/in ... /3227/1882
(7) http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/ ... ent_papers
(8)
(9) https://www.acri.org.il/en/2009/04/30/t ... rom-israel
(10) http://972mag.com/views-on-torture-spli ... ds/115585/
(11) http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.694743
(12) https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva ... erritories
(13) http://www.law.idf.il/327-en/Patzar.aspx
(14) http://forward.com/news/327893/lawyer-f ... stice-min/
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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:41 am

This is interesting... What really happened in the lead up to the 6-day war?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/israeled.o ... tiran/amp/
In early May 1967, Moscow was circulating false reports that Israeli troops were massing on the Syrian border. Nasser feared that Israeli troops would also gather on the Egyptian border and felt compelled to uphold the mutual defense pact he had signed with Syria. On May 19, Nasser banned the 3,500 UNEF troops from Sinai so that he could mobilize Egyptian forces without interference. He began to close the Straits.

Two days later, on May 21, Egypt called up its full reserves and moved them into Sinai. Addressing air force officers in Sinai on May 22, Nasser stated,

We are ready for war…These waters are ours. War might be an opportunity for the Jews, for Israel, to test their strength against ours. The Israeli flag shall not go through the Gulf of Aqaba. Our sovereignty over the entrance to the Gulf cannot be disputed. If Israel wishes to threaten war, we tell her: “You are welcome.” (Boston Globe, May 23, 1967)


It appears that none of Israel's leaders felt threatened by Nasser...

1. Menachem Begin, Minister without Portfolio: "In June l967, we had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him." (New York Times, August 21, 1982)

2. General Yitzhak Rabin, Chief of Staff, Israeli Defence Forces: “I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions which he sent into Sinai on May 14 would not have been enough to unleash an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it." (Le Monde, February 28, 1968 )

3. General Mattitiahu Peled, Chief Quartermaster-General's Branch, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff: “All those stories about the huge danger we were facing because of our small territorial size, an argument expounded once the war was over, had never been considered our calculations prior to the unleashing of hostilities. While we proceeded towards the full mobilization of our forces, no person in his right mind could believe that all this force was necessary to our defence against the Egyptian threat. To pretend that the Egyptian forces concentrated on our borders were capable of threatening Israel's existence does not only insult the intelligence of any person capable of analyzing this kind of situation, but is primarily an insult to the Israeli army." (Le Monde, June 3, 1972)

4. General Ezer Weizman, Chief of Operations, Israeli Defence Forces, General Staff: "There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting."(Ha' aretz, March 29, 1972)

5. General Yeshayahu Gavish, Commanding General Southern Command: "The danger of Israel's extermination was hardly present before the Six-day war." (Alfred M. Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection, New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1978, p. 558)

6. General Mordechai Hod, Commanding General, Israeli Air Force: "Sixteen years planning had gone into those initial eighty minutes. We lived with the plan, we slept on the plan, we ate the plan. Constantly we perfected it."(New York: Dodd, Mead & Co., 1978, pp. 558-559)

7. General Haim Barlev, Chief of General Staff Branch, Israeli Defence Forces: “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the six-day war, and we had never thought of such a possibility." (Ma' ariv, April 4, 1972)

8. General Chaim Herzog, Commanding General and first Military Govemor, Israeli Occupied West Bank: "There was no danger of annihilation. Israeli headquarters never believed in this danger."(Ma' ariv, April 4, 1972)

9. Mordechai Bentov, Minister of Housing: "The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory." (Al-Hamishmar, April 14, 1971)

10. Yigal Allon, Minister of Labor and Member of Prime Minister Eshkol's Military Advisory Committee: "Begin and I want Jerusalem." (Eitan Haber, Menahem Begin: The Legend and the Man, New York: Delacorte Press, 1978 , p. 271)

11. General Meir Amit, the former head of Military Intelligence who was head of Mossad in 1967:"There is going to be a war. Our army is now fully mobilized. But we cannot remain in that condition for long. Because we have a civilian army our economy is shuddering to a stop. We don't have the manpower right now even to bring in the crops. Sugar beets are rotting in the earth. We have to make quick decisions... If we can get the first blow in our casualties will be comparatively light..." (Dennis Eisenberg, Uri Dan and Eli Landau, The Mossad: Israel's Secret Intelligence Service, New York: New American Library, 1978 , pp. 160-161.)

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Re: Israel's war crimes

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:13 pm

"Yes, What Israel Is Doing To Palestinians Is Actually Genocide."

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyf ... RTPxw2e.01

Some scholars have referred to the Israel/Palestine conflict as “incremental genocide” and I would agree with that term. Instead of an overt, blatant attempt to eradicate a people group, incremental genocide involves actions and policies that are designed to slowly erode, break up, and destroy a specific population.


The legal definition of genocide includes the following:

“Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group such as:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”


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