Floods

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Re: Floods

Postby Cadfael » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:52 pm

Wow, I bet that street connecting Fair Oaks with Corporate Drive would get really popular really fast.

To me the streets look quite adequate but my first thought is that I hope I have the chance to paddle down that section of Starkweather a couple more times before it becomes a drainage ditch. There's an amazing amount of wildlife in there that won't survive the project.

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Re: Floods

Postby Cadfael » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:27 pm

I cannot understand why anyone would get rid of their sandbags yet. Maybe next June. If we get a normal snow cover, one good April thunderstorm could put us right back where we were.

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Re: Floods

Postby gargantua » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:16 pm

Cadfael wrote:I cannot understand why anyone would get rid of their sandbags yet. Maybe next June. If we get a normal snow cover, one good April thunderstorm could put us right back where we were.

According to Brian Doogs on Channel 15, they may even be needed next week.
That's ridiculous, but he did say that today.

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Re: Floods

Postby Dust Mite Rodeo » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:24 pm

I needed some sand for a project. So I helped myself.

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Re: Floods

Postby gozer » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:51 pm

gargantua wrote:
Cadfael wrote:I cannot understand why anyone would get rid of their sandbags yet. Maybe next June. If we get a normal snow cover, one good April thunderstorm could put us right back where we were.

According to Brian Doogs on Channel 15, they may even be needed next week.
That's ridiculous, but he did say that today.


worst part of that is, the flash flood guidance amount of rainfall would turn into an astronomical amount of snow if the cold air got there first, anything from 15 cm of greasy bowel movement heart attack snow to a metre of standard stuff . . .

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Re: Floods

Postby Madsci » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:28 pm

Here comes the rain again...

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Re: Floods

Postby gozer » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:42 pm

and once again, perhaps:
comes now the national weather service in chicago:
Hydrologic Outlook
ILC007-031-037-043-063-089-093-097-099-103-111-141-197-201-301300-

Hydrologic Outlook
National Weather Service Chicago IL
254 PM CST Thu Nov 29 2018

...River rises remain possible this weekend due to rainfall and
snow melt...

A weather system moving through the Midwest this weekend may
bring a warming trend and light to moderate rainfall to the area.
Rainfall and melting snow cover could lead to river rises in the Rock,
Fox, DuPage, and Des Plaines River basins in northern Illinois,
and the Kankakee River basin in northern Indiana.

Soil moisture remains very high for this time of year across the
headwaters of the Rock, Fox, and Des Plaines River basins. River
levels are also above average to much above average for this time
of year across Northern Illinois, Southern Wisconsin, and northern
Indiana. In addition, snowpack over northern Illinois contains
snow water equivalent to at least 0.25 to 0.50 inches, with
isolated areas exceeding 1.00 inch. Steadily warming temperatures
are expected into the weekend as well as increased chances for
rainfall. Snow melt will increase during periods of rainfall and
warm temperatures, adding to runoff produced from rainfall alone.

Those with interests along area rivers should closely monitor
later rainfall and river forecasts.

$$

WSL

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Re: Floods

Postby jman111 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:23 pm

The narrative took hold before the waters receded.

The catastrophic floods that gripped the Madison isthmus in August were the result of high water levels on Lake Mendota. And the high water was demanded by marinas and owners of big boats and lakefront property. The culprits were the One Percenters.

Sound familiar?
During an interview just before he released his plan, Parisi bristled at the idea that lake levels are being maintained at dangerously high levels to appease wealthy lakeshore property owners. “The power of the people who live on the lake is news to me,” he says. “The question is about much more than just lake levels. There’s no one easy fix to the challenge.”

(Lathrop) and Potter agree that if the rate at which water can move through the system is not increased, then any additional storage capacity created by a lower lake level in Mendota will quickly be used up in major rain events and we’ll be back where we started.


Just reducing lake levels won’t prevent flooding. We need to do more.

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Re: Floods

Postby gargantua » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:06 pm

Interesting article. While I agreed with much of it, I hope they take the approach of identifying things we can do right away, AND DO THEM RIGHT AWAY, and longer term solutions. Other than for the county buying additional weedcutters, which is great, I didn't see much about short term implementation. I'm afraid this summer's issues are going to carry over into Spring 19. We don't have the luxury of time. We already squandered that.

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Re: Floods

Postby jman111 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:31 pm

Per separate communication, I've learned that the county is forming a technical working group to examine long-term management of lake levels in the Yahara chain. Meetings should occur from Dec through March, with final recommendations to be presented in early April. First meeting should be Dec 11 or 12.

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Re: Floods

Postby raw-tracks » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:13 pm

The available evidence suggests that we can stop or substantially reduce flooding by doing things that improve water quality overall and we can do it without a bloody debate over lake levels. If only “really dense people” look at it that way, then count me among the fools. -- Citizen Dave

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Re: Floods

Postby raw-tracks » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:19 pm

jman111 wrote:Per separate communication, I've learned that the county is forming a technical working group to examine long-term management of lake levels in the Yahara chain. Meetings should occur from Dec through March, with final recommendations to be presented in early April. First meeting should be Dec 11 or 12.


The technical work group is already underway. They will hand their findings to the task force by Feb. 1st. Resolution 227 was passed to put those wheels into motion.

RES-227
https://dane.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F ... D02DB86003

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Re: Floods

Postby jman111 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:05 pm

Thanks. Looks like they've got some of the short-term fixes already in place. Prioritizing aggressive harvesting downstream and getting serious about reaching designated minimum levels will offer a significant buffer.

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Re: Floods

Postby gargantua » Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:39 pm

We're going to need it. Apparently Dane County is right in the middle of where climate change is directing excess precipitation. It's not going to stay bad. It will get worse.


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