Car thefts

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:21 pm

are there still people out there who lie underneath a vehicle with a razor blade and slices them in the tendon? i heard that story a couple of times about 25 or so years ago

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gargantua » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:26 pm

Judge Genovese asked people in my neighborhood association to be "part of the solution" by mentoring these criminals. How unbelievably tone-deaf. I'm sure the victim here is thinking "sign me up!"

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gozer » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:55 pm

was it like wally cleaver's axiom or we are part of the problem because of social darwinism and poverty being 100 per cent of the problem? close, but no cigar like they say in hamlet? very interesting . . .

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gargantua » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:07 pm

gozer wrote:was it like wally cleaver's axiom or we are part of the problem because of social darwinism and poverty being 100 per cent of the problem? close, but no cigar like they say in hamlet? very interesting . . .

She specifically offered Big Brothers or Big Sisters as programs to become involved in. I don't mean to disparage those very worthy endeavors. But I don't believe for a second that they'll solve this problem. Deterrence in the form of consequences beyond being released to the custody of parents might work better.

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Re: Car thefts

Postby Beaver » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:21 pm

Koval and the PD versus Dane co correction system.

hief Koval's Blog
https://www.cityofmadison.com/police/chief/blog/

"Over the past several months, this daily blog has increasingly chronicled juveniles engaged in serious, illegal behavior(s). Weapons offenses, stealing cars and operating them recklessly, brazen burglaries, robberies, and sexual assaults are among the litany of crimes that have generated fear and apprehension in our community.

MPD has certainly heard from constituents about their collective angst and I can assure you that our cops share in those sentiments. As I have noted before, MPD has spent considerable time and resources in our attempts to prevent, investigate, and arrest juveniles engaged in criminal behavior. Regrettably, the juvenile "justice" system is not responding to the issues at hand and we see a plethora of reasons why it is failing. The judges will tell you that they do not have enough dispositional options available for consideration; there is a paucity of programs, mental health resources cannot keep up to the demands, and there is a lack of suitable placement alternatives (i.e., State-operated Lincoln Hills has been shut down). The Juvenile Reception Center (JRC) and the Dane County Shelter are at capacity. "Home detention" and GPS monitoring have not met standards of reliability in the eyes of our front line guardians. School-related disturbances and inappropriate behaviors have become all too commonplace. Gang membership is on a trajectory climb as well. Is it any wonder that constituents and practitioners alike are frustrated???

At a recent meeting of practitioners, I listened to many earnest discussions with well-intentioned subject matter experts expounding upon the need for more relationship building with at-risk youth, timely interventions, fortifying existing programs while instituting even more topical and comprehensive initiatives that can get to the root causes of why a juvenile makes bad/reckless choices. Additionally, it is encouraging to see a greater recognition for how many of our young people have been dealing with trauma-based exposures since the beginning of their lives. . .which necessitates more training for teachers, social workers, mental health specialists and cops. All of these discussions are evidence-based, insightful, and will better inform decision making on how best to invest time and resources over the long haul. I unequivocally support these good faith attempts as a means of preventing and interceding before small matters becomes big issues with criminal justice ramifications.

But the one thing I haven't heard enough discussion about are the needs of the victims of crimes caused by juveniles? What about accountability? When a 59-year-old mom is leaving work at 10pm at night and is jumped, thumped, and her car/keys/purse are taken from a trio of juveniles---only to have her family's car subsequently totaled later in the morning--who is speaking up on her behalf? Quite frankly, at this point in time, I am NOT preoccupied in looking at what "caused" these youths to transgress the law, I am more inclined to ask what the consequences will be for the behavior (assuming due process and an adjudication of delinquency)? While I endorse community-based restorative justice initiatives, I draw the line at serious, felony behaviors. Furthermore, victims need to stay empowered in making decisions on how to proceed with the management and prosecution of cases that do not (and should not) qualify for diversion from the criminal justice system."

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Re: Car thefts

Postby Beaver » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:22 pm

It's on now!

Dane County judges respond to criticism of juvenile judiciary system
https://www.nbc15.com/content/news/Dane ... 37151.html

"Four Dane County juvenile judges released a joint statement on Tuesday regarding recent coverage of crimes involving teens. This comes after Madison's Chief of Police, Mike Koval, criticized the handling of some recent juvenile cases involving teenagers stealing vehicles...

The Circuit Court of Dane County's Juvenile Division put out a statement saying, "We take community safety, victim impacts and youth accountability seriously. Youth are not picked up and simply released." The judges statement goes on to explain they have been holding youth longer than historically they ever had saying they are using Wisconsin's two juvenile prisons more.

The statement reads: "We are constantly balancing the complex needs of the youth and families with resources and community protection. We are also wrestling with limited options for placements as more residential centers and group homes close or are not willing to take youth."

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gargantua » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:54 pm

I'm with Chief Koval. We as citizens have a right to be protected from lawless behavior. Rather than being defensive, which is exactly how the judges are reacting, they should advocate for the rule of law. Which includes consequences for violating that the perpetrators don't just laugh at.
I'll be taking a serious look at their opponents when they come up for election.

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Re: Car thefts

Postby Beaver » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:25 am

Could be an interesting meeting.

Madison police chief takes judges, juvenile 'justice' system to task in blog post
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crim ... F907B3DD01

"Far West Side Ald. Paul Skidmore, 9th District, said he’s seen an uptick in the number of constituents contacting him about car thefts and other crimes by teens. He’s scheduled a community public safety meeting for 6 p.m. Nov. 5 at Blackhawk Church, where county judges, Madison police and others have been invited to speak.

Police are “wrongly being blamed,” he said. “They catch them and turn them in, but they don’t have anything to do with the justice system.” Similarly, in an Oct. 9 emailed response to a woman who had complained to her City Council representative about car thefts, West Police District Capt. Cory Nelson said “our officers are arresting (these) kids every chance we get, yet they are many times almost immediately released.

“We have arrested many kids who are on bracelets from their last arrest,” he wrote. “They seem to think our arrests are a big joke. Our frustration is with the justice system. If you want to make a change, you need to do so at the ballot box when judges are elected.”

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Re: Car thefts

Postby david cohen » Wed Oct 17, 2018 11:26 pm

It's only a matter of time before a citizen, legally carrying a weapon, is assaulted and fears, however irrationally, for their life and whammo. Another dead teenager, another city gripped in racial animus, another crisis.

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Re: Car thefts

Postby Beaver » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:07 pm

Mother's future home considered structurally unstable after 'joyriding' teens crash SUV
https://www.channel3000.com/news/crime/ ... /876459204

"A Madison mother will not be able to move into a home designed to help her disabilities because it is now considered structurally unstable after three teens crashed an SUV into it, according to police. A news release from the Madison Police Department said the teens were "joyriding" in a 2017 Subaru Forester that they had stolen when they crashed into the 50-year-old woman's future home. "

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gozer » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:36 pm

Beaver wrote:Why were those three young girls with him? One from Shorewood Hills? I thought rich girls knew better.


it was a meeting of officers of three different schools' "heavy petting & codeine" clubs . . .

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gozer » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:39 pm

Beaver wrote:Mother's future home considered structurally unstable after 'joyriding' teens crash SUV
https://www.channel3000.com/news/crime/ ... /876459204

"A Madison mother will not be able to move into a home designed to help her disabilities because it is now considered structurally unstable after three teens crashed an SUV into it, according to police. A news release from the Madison Police Department said the teens were "joyriding" in a 2017 Subaru Forester that they had stolen when they crashed into the 50-year-old woman's future home. "


sort of like about 10 years ago that person driving down south whitney way at 160+ km/h or more than 100 miles an hour. four to five times the very reasonable speed limit in the area, screws up and jumps the kerb, flies completely over one block at up to 4 metres off the ground and the next street then hits a house and knocks it off the foundation? i'm surprised there wasn't a natural gas explosion . . . i think that may have been a sport utility vehicle . . . i suppose a compact car could have flown even further . . .

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Re: Car thefts

Postby gargantua » Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:53 pm

Beaver wrote:Mother's future home considered structurally unstable after 'joyriding' teens crash SUV
https://www.channel3000.com/news/crime/ ... /876459204

"A Madison mother will not be able to move into a home designed to help her disabilities because it is now considered structurally unstable after three teens crashed an SUV into it, according to police. A news release from the Madison Police Department said the teens were "joyriding" in a 2017 Subaru Forester that they had stolen when they crashed into the 50-year-old woman's future home. "

They won't escape consequences this time. All three teens sustained injuries.

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Re: Car thefts

Postby Beaver » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:16 am

Out of options: Dane County has a juvenile crime problem and few tools to solve it
https://madison.com/ct/news/local/govt- ... 3BEF2C94B1


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