How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby kurt_w » Sun Jun 14, 2015 11:32 am

Sorry, sno, I revised my post while you were responding to it.

This has all become very abstract. Dogmeat's claimed position is absurd, and no one actually lives by it, including dogmeat.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby snoqueen » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:03 pm

No problem. I've done it plenty of times myself.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby fflambeau » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:38 pm

Dogmeat, can you read?

Immediately after I post something regarding the Goodman Foundation saying their actions are likely NOT criminal, you accuse me of accusing the foundation of criminal actions".

Here's what I wrote: "Neither action is likely criminal and neither action would run afoul of permits or the danger of civil law suits. But are these actions good for society. My third example, by the way, Foundation X, is very common. Note that the man who now controls the Goodman Foundation is a tax shelter specialist."


Here's your pathetic response: "So are you now accusing Goodman Foundation or the sole employee of being criminal?

If you would have just been honest from the start you might have been better received, but probably not. You don't actually care about transparency. You care about what they spend their money on. You don't like that they're funding improvements to the athletic fields over at MATC and you want to see what else they're doing that you disagree with. Except you can't because they don't have to release that information."

Your comment about the IRS having lots of people investigating various foundations that have close ties with family members and setting up a "foundation" as a tax dodge is laughable. The IRS has even more people looking at everyone's tax returns; that does NOT MEAN that lots of people are not cheating!

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby david cohen » Mon Jun 15, 2015 12:49 am

Their money is their business, not ours. I think the work they want to do to improve the MATC facilities is spot on. I hope they completely reconstruct the tennis courts by the armory so both MATC and the neighborhood have adequate facilities. That part of the northeast side could use it. Hell, a community pool would be nice too:)

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Stu Levitan » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:26 am

Edgewood High School of the Sacred Heart just announced a $1.5 million "Goodman Athletic Complex" on campus. Cue the outrage from the fflamer.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby dogmeat » Mon Jun 15, 2015 4:40 pm

rabble wrote:
dogmeat wrote:If the action is legal and causes no infringement then there is nothing to complain about. There is a major problem in America of people feigning outrage and injury when none actually occurred. What you have a right to is what matters.

And there's a whole slew of things addressed in a nutshell. It doesn't matter if anyone is actually outraged. If you yourself can't see the outrage, then it's a non issue. No trying to understand the other, none of this "walk a mile in their footsteps" crap. If you can boil it down to a yes or no issue on rights, and you yourself are satisfied, then fuck 'em.

I wonder how any existing laws got passed. Might it be because there was outrage but no laws against it at the time?

It is not permissible to create a law simply because enough people are outraged. Each law must fall within the authority granted to the government by the people and no law may infringe upon a right. It was specifically set up this way to prevent a tyranny of the majority.

In civil suits the first thing that must be established is 'locus standi'. Someone may not bring suit simply because they disagree with the other party. There must be an actual harm, either physical or an infringement of rights.

kurt_w wrote:Thanks to the First Amendment, people have this thing called "freedom of speech." One consequence is that they get to express their opinions about things.

Of course they can exercise their right to free speech. That doesn't make their complaints valid. They can complain, but they don't have anything to actually complain about.

You're attempting to redefine "rights" to include only the right to property, not the right to free speech. But you can't make your own argument without the existence of free speech.

I've said nothing even remotely like that. You're being ridiculous at this point.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby fflambeau » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:18 pm

"Edgewood High School of the Sacred Heart just announced a $1.5 million "Goodman Athletic Complex" on campus. Cue the outrage from the fflamer."

Maybe not outrage but certainly a question to Mr. Schramka: Did the Goodman Brothers believe in anything other than sports facilities, and obviously, "Diamonds are your best friend?"

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Igor » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:50 pm

fflambeau wrote:"Edgewood High School of the Sacred Heart just announced a $1.5 million "Goodman Athletic Complex" on campus. Cue the outrage from the fflamer."

Maybe not outrage but certainly a question to Mr. Schramka: Did the Goodman Brothers believe in anything other than sports facilities, and obviously, "Diamonds are your best friend?"


Many of your questions are answered here, if you care to accept them:

http://www.isthmus.com/news/news/remembering-irwin-goodman/

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby dogmeat » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:14 pm

The question still remains....

Why do you have a problem with how the Goodman Foundation spends their money?

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby fflambeau » Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:55 am

Bwis53 wrote:Has anyone here read that book about the Goodman brothers? An interesting read?

Doug Moe was commissioned and paid by the Goodman Foundation for a book about the Goodman brothers. "He who pays the piper calls the tune."

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Michael Patrick » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:36 am

fflambeau wrote:
Bwis53 wrote:Has anyone here read that book about the Goodman brothers? An interesting read?

Doug Moe was commissioned and paid by the Goodman Foundation for a book about the Goodman brothers. "He who pays the piper calls the tune."


So they don't just spend their money on sports facilities.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby bdog » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:56 pm

sbell wrote:I'm starting to suspect that fflambeau is the latest incarnation of Sheppy.

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How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Truthseeker » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:08 am

It is now 2019...I would like to reactivate this discussion. The Goodman Foundation has donated a $1.5 million dollars to add lights,1,000 seats, amplified sound, press box, etc. to the Edgewood High School athletic field in opposition to the needs and wants of the surrounding neighborhood. In his 2015 article, fflambeau raises significant questions as to transparency, accountability and an independent third party evaluation of projects completed with the Goodman money. I raise these same questions in 2019. Where is the oversight of the Goodman Foundation and of E.G. Schramka? How did it come to pass that the Goodman Foundation is embroiled in this neighborhood war? Surely, this is not what Irwin and Robert Goodman intended. According to Edgewood authorities, the Goodman Foundation spelled out that they would pay for a track and field rennovation i.e. lights, sound and 1,000 seats if the field were used for community purposes. But did the Goodman Foundation do its due diligence to find out if the COMMUNITY-- the NEIGHBORS --surrounding the Edgewood athletic field supported lights, amplified sound and 1,000 seats, along with increased traffic and noise --all of which are major disturbances to a residental area? I suspect not, because a survey performed by the neighbors shows that a majority of the neighbors reject the new Edgewood Stadium proposal. Goodman Brothers withdraw your support for this incendiary proposal.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby gargantua » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:17 pm

No. The neighbors are being unreasonable NIMBYs. You're probably one of them. Edgewood is an asset to the community, and the stadium will not have anything like the impact that overwrought opponents imagine.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby jman111 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:16 pm

Truthseeker wrote:Goodman Brothers withdraw your support for this incendiary proposal.

You may want to redirect such a request/demand, as they're both gone for some time now.


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