How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby fflambeau » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:53 pm

This is the story of two Goodman foundations.

One is local and was established by Robert Goodman and his brother. I refer to it hereafter (for ease and clarity) as the "Madison Goodman Foundation". Its official name is the Irwin A. and Robert D. Goodman Foundation, Inc.

The other Goodman Foundation, also a private nonprofit was set up and operates in California. It is officially called the JW and HM Goodman Family Foundation which I will refer to as the "California Goodman Foundation."

Let's compare the two and see how they are doing.

Both by the way, have almost identical missions and goals which can be expressed as improving the quality of life in the areas in which the families operated and funding activities that the founders believed in.

Madison Goodman Foundation:
private, nonprofit foundation

California Goodman Foundation:
private, nonprofit foundation
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Madison Goodman Foundation:
Compensation of Officers, Directors, Trustees:
$170,300. (all to one person, Executive Director and VP, EG Schramka)

California Goodman Foundation:
-0- (In fact, everything for this California Foundation is unpaid, volunteer except for some small professional costs like accounting).
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Madison Goodman Foundation:
Other employee benefits, pension plans:
$23,000 (all to Mr. E.G. Schramka)

California Goodman Foundation:
-0-

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Madison Goodman Foundation:
Total Net Assets at end of year (2014) as found on IRS 990, Part III, Line 6
43,198,321

California Goodman Foundation:
2,055,644.
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Madison Goodman Foundation:
Total Net Assets (Part II, Line 16, IRS 990 Form):
$41,931,889.

California Goodman Foundation:
$1,938,530.

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Did the foundation comply with the public inspection requirements for its annual returns and exemption application? (This is question 13, Part VII-A of the IRS 990 Form):

Madison Goodman Foundation:
Answer provided. Yes. Under Website they have filled in "N/A." (that is not correct, the answer should have been NONE).

California Goodman Foundation:
Yes, and provided web site of the foundation

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Compensation paid to All directors, trustees etc. (required by Part VIII, IRS 990 Form

Madison Goodman Foundation:
$170,300 in compensation to E.G. Schramka; and $23,000 in compensation to same person. Answer given here only gives names and addresses of directors and trustees and the address given for all directors and trustees is the same PO Box and nothing else.

California Goodman Foundation:
( Lists -0- compensation and -0- contributions and benefits to same. Lists directors and trustees in separate Statement 9 with their complete street addresses.
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Madison Goodman Foundation
Compensation of 5 highest paid employees (other than those above). Form 990 states, "If none, enter NONE".
This section is left blank.

California Goodman Foundation:
Answer on above form: "NONE".

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Madison Goodman Foundation
5 Highest Paid Independent Contractors for professional services. Form 990 states, "If none, enter NONE"."
US Bank NA (1 S. Pickney St., Madison) 240,302.



California Goodman Foundation:

Answer on above form: "NONE" (elsewhere, they list "Bank Fees" as $37.00)

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Madison Goodman Foundation:
Grants and Contributions paid during the year (Answer to Part XV, 3a, "Total" of form 990):
$4,551,741.
California Goodman Foundation:
$141,000.

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Madison Goodman Foundation:
Statement 9 (List of Officers, Directors Trustees)
gives names and addresses of directors and trustees and the address given for all directors and trustees is the same PO Box and nothing else. 4 people in total: Robert Pricer, Sect/Treas.; Mary Rouse, Director; E.G. Schramka, Executive Director and VP; Howard A. Sweet,President


California Goodman Foundation:

2 officers, 4 directors, complete names and addresses given for all. Zero compensation to any.

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SOURCES FOR ABOVE:
1) Madison Goodman Foundation:
IRS form 990 for 2014 found at http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_ ... 1433384450


20 California Goodman Foundation:
foundation web site and IRS form 990 for 2014
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Madison Goodman Foundation:
Website? No.

California Goodman Foundation:
http://www.goodmanfamilyfoundation.org
(lists names of officers, directors, addresses and short bios; intention and history of the foundation; online grant information including application form; lists grants awarded (all the way back to 2001); provides IRS 990 forms filled out on behalf of the Foundation for years 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010 and 2009)

Query: which Foundation is more transparent? You be the judge. I submit both are doing good deeds in their respective communities.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby dogmeat » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:15 pm

The two foundations are not remotely identical. One solicits applications for grants. The other does not. That is a huge difference in how they conduct business.

But since you're so obsessed with transparency, why don't you make public exactly who you are and the groups you are affiliated with. If you're going to expect an organization to unreasonably expose their financials then you should be willing to do the same. They are far more transparent than you.

Clearly you're just some bitter busy-body that thinks you know how to spend their money better than they do. Too bad. You have no right to their money.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby green union terrace chair » Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:34 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Spot on. Hell freezes over.

Thread of the century.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Igor » Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:22 pm

I'm glad we have the foundation with more money, instead of the foundation with the website.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Michael Patrick » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:46 am

The whole purpose of transparency is to make it clear how a charity uses other people's money. You can't expect people to be comfortable with giving you money if you aren't willing to show them how you used the money you were already given by others.

A private foundation that doesn't solicit other people's money therefore doesn't have the same need to demonstrate how it uses its money. Because they already know how they are using their own damn money.

This is the dumbest thread ever.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby rabble » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:21 am

Michael Patrick wrote:This is the dumbest thread ever.

Wait. You mean this one is dumber than the roundabouts thread?
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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Michael Patrick » Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:24 am

Dumbest. Thread. EVAR!

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby fflambeau » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:30 pm

"The whole purpose of transparency is to make it clear how a charity uses other people's money. You can't expect people to be comfortable with giving you money if you aren't willing to show them how you used the money you were already given by others.

A private foundation that doesn't solicit other people's money therefore doesn't have the same need to demonstrate how it uses its money. Because they already know how they are using their own damn money."

Wrong. The California Goodman Foundation isn't soliciting funds either and that is true of lots of other private, family run foundations that DO have web sites. Web sites do help with transparency in other ways than you have indicated. Try to find out, for example, a Form 990 for the Goodman Foundation (Madison) for say, 2012-13. It's not easy. Whereas, the California Goodman Foundation posts them going way back. And note that there are spaces on the 990 form for 2014 that the Goodman Foundation filed and failed to answer and which demanded an answer. Further note that the Goodman Foundation California lists the names and real addresses (not a post office box that is the same for all of its officers) . And obviously, foundations like the California Goodman Foundation that have web sites list the grants they have made, making it clear what they are doing and funding (and why). The Madison Goodman Foundation doesn't.

Transparency means a lot more than you seem to think.

Transparency doesn't just mean that a foundation has a responsibility to its family donors. It also means that there is an obligation to the society the foundation operates in. For instance, one important study of accountability and foundations defined transparency as follows: an obligation or willingness "to publish and make available relevant data to stakeholders and the public” (European Foundation Center & Donors and Foundations
Networks in Europe [EFC/DAFNE], 2011, p. 6). Note that although the Goodman Foundation Madison is a private nonprofit foundation it is publicly chartered and operates under public laws. So, you and your ilk are completely forgetting this public aspect and public responsibilities for this foundation.

Furthermore, if this foundation is doing such a wonderful job, how would setting up a website (which entails a minimal cost, less than one half of of month's salary for Mr. Trumka's salary) hinder it in any way? Don't you have to admit that it would advance the causes that this foundation supposedly stands for? How is transparency going to hurt a good thing? Please explain.

And by the way, I find it curious that a lot of people here who seem to think so little of transparency like to attack the foundation of a liberal Democratic candidate who also has a foundation on the grounds of lack of transparency. Listening Dogmeat?

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:33 pm

What on earth does the California Goodman Foundation have to do with anything?

Try making sense for a while or everybody's going to put you on ignore with Neade.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:36 pm

The Clinton's foundation solicits money. The Goodman's doesn't.

Where do you give your money? Tell us now and set up a website please.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby dogmeat » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:41 pm

fflambeau wrote:Transparency doesn't just mean that a foundation has a responsibility to its family donors. It also means that there is an obligation to the society the foundation operates in.

That is complete nonsense. A charity or foundation has no obligation to society at all. Anything they do for society is a voluntary choice. That choice allows them to pick which issues or people they help. If they take donations from the public then they are obligated and required by law to report their financials. Reducing fraud is the only reason reporting financials is required when taking donations. Reporting financials is not some magical thing that makes a charity better than another.

Note that although the Goodman Foundation Madison is a private nonprofit foundation it is publicly chartered and operates under public laws. So, you and your ilk are completely forgetting this public aspect and public responsibilities for this foundation.

The Goodman Foundation is not publicly chartered. Publicly chartered means the government established the organization or passed a law specifically granting the organization a public charter. Just because the government has laws regulating an organization doesn't mean that organization is publicly chartered.

Furthermore, if this foundation is doing such a wonderful job, how would setting up a website (which entails a minimal cost, less than one half of of month's salary for Mr. Trumka's salary) hinder it in any way? Don't you have to admit that it would advance the causes that this foundation supposedly stands for? How is transparency going to hurt a good thing? Please explain.

The foundation doesn't need a damn website. There are four primary things a website can do for a charity: solicit donations, report financials to donors, advertise grants and brag about the charity provided for public relations purposes. Goodman is not interested in any of those things, so they don't need a website. People going to the pool, community center or athletic facilities the Goodman Foundation has paid for is how they advance their cause. A website serves absolutely no purpose for them, so it would be a waste of time and money.

And by the way, I find it curious that a lot of people here who seem to think so little of transparency like to attack the foundation of a liberal Democratic candidate who also has a foundation on the grounds of lack of transparency. Listening Dogmeat?

Those operating the Goodman Foundation haven't held high office in the federal government and they haven't received huge donations from nations, corporations and individuals that had pending business with government agencies under their control or influence.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Igor » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:47 pm

fflambeau wrote:Furthermore, if this foundation is doing such a wonderful job, how would setting up a website (which entails a minimal cost, less than one half of of month's salary for Mr. Trumka's salary) hinder it in any way? Don't you have to admit that it would advance the causes that this foundation supposedly stands for? How is transparency going to hurt a good thing? Please explain.


Sorry dude, you tipped your hand on your first post. You don't give two shits about transparency. You are pissed because the Goodman's spend money on sports. You think they should spend it on education.

You are the equivalent of the fat guy on the intranet explaining why Hannah Davis (or whoever) is not attractive. The problem is, everyone here disagrees with you. The straight boys, straight girls, gays, lesbians, people that dress up in animal costumes, and that weird guy that hangs out by the Red Letter News - we all think the Goodman Foundation is hot. 10/10. Would bang.

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Stu Levitan » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:00 pm

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby Steve Vokers » Wed Jun 10, 2015 4:53 am

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Re: How Good is the Goodman Foundation for Madison?

Postby FJD » Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:50 am

Igor wrote:Sorry dude, you tipped your hand on your first post. You don't give two shits about transparency. You are pissed because the Goodman's spend money on sports. You think they should spend it on education.


Well that or web developer fishing for a job.


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