Tony Evers for governor

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:21 pm

Oh geez. This again... Obama has increased spending, ready? Less than every other President back to Eisenhower. You're talking about spending programs and policy mistakes made by Bush that continued under Obama because the Republican Congress refused to correct them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.market ... 2128049AD6

https://www.cbpp.org/research/economic- ... e-deficits

https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-blame-ob ... 09-deficit

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Comrade » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:55 pm

No! We are taking about increasing taxes and doubling the deficit at the same time.

Also we hindered and reduced growth during that same period.

You aren't looking at the entire picture. You are only addressing what you want to see. That just isn't accurate.

BTW--none of this has anything to do with Evers failing to articulate a coherent message of a vision for the state and how he plans to achieve it.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:09 pm

Because every job creation bill Obama proposed was shot sdown & replaced with a "tax cuts for the rich" bill that the Rs called "job creation."

If Congress would've fixed Bush's policy mistakes alone, Obama would've had balanced budgets. If they would've implemented his tax reform plans, we would've seen the kind of growth we saw in the 90s.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Ned Flounders » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:20 pm

Comrade wrote:No! We are taking about increasing taxes and doubling the deficit at the same time.

Wait, I thought you were talking about Obama. If so, you mean that he halved the deficit, not doubled it, right?

In FY2009, when he took office, the deficit was $1.4 trillion. In FY2017, when he left office, it was less than $0.7 trillion.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=gvwp

FYI, the deficit ballooned under Reagan, was eliminated under Clinton, ballooned again under GW Bush, and then was cut in half by Obama.

If the GOP tax bill passes, that pattern will continue, with the deficit expanding again under Trump.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Comrade » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:24 pm

I actually misspoke when I said deficit. I meant debt. He doubled the debt of the US while also increasing taxes.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Comrade » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:28 pm

jonnygothispen wrote:Because every job creation bill Obama proposed was shot sdown & replaced with a "tax cuts for the rich" bill that the Rs called "job creation."

If Congress would've fixed Bush's policy mistakes alone, Obama would've had balanced budgets. If they would've implemented his tax reform plans, we would've seen the kind of growth we saw in the 90s.


Obama had NO idea how to create jobs. As evidence of this point, I remind you of his remarks in Indianapolis in At Carrier in May of 2016.

Moreover, I remind you of Trump's success in saving and creating many more of such jobs.

Do you really want me to quote Obama at that time and contrast it to the reality that has occurred since he left?

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Ned Flounders » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:44 pm

Comrade wrote:I actually misspoke when I said deficit. I meant debt. He doubled the debt of the US while also increasing taxes.

Do you understand the relationship between the deficit and the debt?

Hint: the debt grew so much under Obama because he inherited a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit from Bush, and it took years for the country to dig even half way out of that hole.

Clinton and Obama both vastly improved the country's balance sheet. Reagan and GWB both made it much worse. Trump is poised to join his Republican predecessors in ballooning the deficit again, leaving yet another mess for his Democratic successor to clean up.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Ned Flounders » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:51 pm

Comrade wrote:Obama had NO idea how to create jobs...
Moreover, I remind you of Trump's success in saving and creating many more of such jobs.

Do you really want me to quote Obama at that time and contrast it to the reality that has occurred since he left?


Again, reality disagrees with you. Where's the abrupt change in job creation between Obama and Trump?

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=gvyU

This past year has just been a continuation of the previous eight. Nothing new or exciting there. Maybe slightly slower, that's all.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:57 pm

Comrade wrote:I actually misspoke when I said deficit. I meant debt. He doubled the debt of the US...


No, "he" didn't. Read the links I posted, k?

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Shorty » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:08 am

Evers leading 3 of 4 polls.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6606.html

Poll Date Sample MoE Evers (D) Walker (R) Spread
RCP Average 6/13 - 7/28 -- -- 48.7 43.3 Evers +5.4
Emerson 7/26 - 7/28 632 RV 4.2 48 41 Evers +7
NBC News/Marist 7/15 - 7/19 906 RV 3.8 54 41 Evers +13
Marquette 6/13 - 6/17 800 RV 4.0 44 48 Walker +4

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby gargantua » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:10 pm

It's certainly a lot better than trailing, but these early polls don't mean much. We'll see in a few weeks after he's drenched by the Walker Attack Machine's Firehose o' Money.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Shorty » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:08 pm

WAMFM? WAMFoM?

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby IU2Bmanoletters » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:40 pm

I'm glad but obviously not surprised that Tony Evers won the Democratic primary. Now, on to November's final contest... and of course I will do all I can to help Tammy and the other "Donkey" candidates prevail in the mid-terms.
I'm trying very hard to be less pessimistic about what lies ahead, and yet... although worry is probably the most useless emotion of all - I cannot help but be somewhat apprehensive.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:08 pm

If Evers becomes governor, I expect that at least one House in the Wisconsin Legislature will still be under GOP control, so it will be difficult to get needed legislation passed. Evers will still have the power of the veto and, especially with budget bills, the line item veto can include crossing out individual words or dollar amounts.

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Re: Tony Evers for governor

Postby gargantua » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:56 pm

In addition, he can appoint leaders to head state agencies who actually believe in the mission of the agency. DNR is a prime example.


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