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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Beaver » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:56 am

Justice Roberts said political science is ‘sociological gobbledygook.’ Here’s why he said it, and why he’s mistaken.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... b82be9a5cf

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby DCB » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:01 am

Robert's argument is basically "who am I to judge"?

Dude that is literally your fucking job!

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby snoqueen » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:14 am

DCB wrote:Robert's argument is basically "who am I to judge"?

Dude that is literally your fucking job!


That was so arrogant. Other people put in a few extra hours at crunch time, but not the godlike Chief Justice. No way.

Not a lot of things make me mad, but those remarks did. He thinks he's too important to dig in and actually do his job.

He pretty much declared he had no idea of the substance of the arguments being presented and furthermore didn't care.

We are used to Clarence Thomas lying there in his chair doing nothing, but for Roberts to sit up straight and basically take the same approach in an insult to Americans as a group.

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Beaver » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:09 am

Pennsylvania court orders new congressional map due to gerrymandering
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1FB2N8

"Pennsylvania’s top court on Monday threw out the state’s congressional map, ruling that Republican legislators unlawfully sought partisan advantage, and gave them three weeks to rework it in a decision that could boost Democratic chances of retaking the U.S. House of Representatives.

In a 5-2 decision, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled the electoral map violated the state’s Constitution by manipulating the district boundaries to marginalize Democratic voters, a practice called partisan gerrymandering.

Democrats, who hold only five of the state’s 18 congressional districts despite Pennsylvania’s status as an electoral swing state, hope to regain control of the House in the November mid-term elections by flipping 24 seats now held by Republicans nationwide. A new map could give Democratic candidates a chance to capture as many as half a dozen Republican seats in Pennsylvania alone, with national polls showing voters strongly favoring Democrats in 2018.

The court’s five Democratic members said the congressional map “clearly, plainly and palpably violates the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.” Both Republican justices dissented".

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Beaver » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:15 pm

A win against gerrymandering. More battles coming.

Supreme Court declines request from Pennsylvania GOP to stop redistricting
https://www.channel3000.com/news/politi ... /697003609

"The Supreme Court declined Monday a request from Pennsylvania Republicans to block a lower court ruling that ordered Pennsylvania to redraw congressional lines. Justice Samuel Alito issued the order.

The ruling will have massive ramifications for the 2018 midterm elections, where Republicans' control of the US House is on the line and Democrats are targeting a handful of GOP-held seats in Pennsylvania."

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby jonnygothispen » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:35 pm

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Beaver » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:44 am

Pennsylvania Republicans have drawn a new congressional map that is just as gerrymandered as the old one
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... e32d49a487

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby gozer » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:06 am

Beaver wrote:Justice Roberts said political science is ‘sociological gobbledygook.’ Here’s why he said it, and why he’s mistaken.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon ... b82be9a5cf


so he must think that, by extension, sociology is goggledygook . . . no wonder some folks appear to be so clueless when it comes to anything having to do with making things easier for people . . .

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:19 pm

Taxpayers are footing the bill to defend Republican gerrymandering in Wisconsin.

Wisconsin taxpayers footed a previously unknown $60,000 bill for an attorney to argue for 10 minutes before the U.S. Supreme Court in the state's defense of a redistricting lawsuit.

A summary of bills that The Associated Press obtained through an open records request shows the law firm of Kirkland and Ellis was paid $60,000 to make the arguments. The cost wasn't included in original contracts signed by Republican legislative leaders in 2017.

A spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says when the contract was signed it wasn't known whether Kirkland would appear in court or simply prepare legal briefs.

The Legislature asked for time to present its position during oral arguments, which resulted in the $60,000 bill on top of $175,000 paid to the law firm for other work.

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Shorty » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:56 am

Dems can't sue Statewide, but maybe district by district.

Supreme Court rules against Wisconsin Dems in redistricting case
http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Suprem ... 24511.html

"The Supreme Court said that the plaintiffs in Wisconsin had failed to prove that they have the right to sue on a statewide basis, rather than challenge individual districts. The Democrats will have a chance to prove their case district by district.

Waiting in the wings is a case from North Carolina that seemingly addresses some of the high court’s concerns. The lawsuit filed by North Carolina Democrats has plaintiffs in each of the state’s 13 congressional districts. Like Wisconsin, North Carolina is generally closely divided in politics, but Republicans hold a 10-3 edge in congressional seats."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/1 ... 1_dc8f.pdf

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Shorty » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:14 am

Another good night for WI gerrymandering. Dems do well in state wide races but can't make a dent in Republican held Assembly and Senate.

GOP maintains majority in Wisconsin Assembly
https://www.channel3000.com/news/politi ... /849026530

GOP holds edge in Wisconsin Senate
https://www.channel3000.com/news/politi ... /849031737

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:14 pm

When redistricting comes up in a couple years, what powers does the governor have? I know in Wisconsin, the governor can line item veto items or even words in budget bills, but does that extend to 10 year mandatory redistricting proposed by the Legislature?

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Igor » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:34 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:When redistricting comes up in a couple years, what powers does the governor have? I know in Wisconsin, the governor can line item veto items or even words in budget bills, but does that extend to 10 year mandatory redistricting proposed by the Legislature?


I think they would only have the all or nothing veto in that case. IIRC line item veto is budget only.

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:37 pm

Thanks. That's what I thought too. So what happens if Evers refuses to sign and his veto isn't overridden? Do the federal courts take over the whole process?

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Re: 'unconstitutional gerrymander'

Postby Shorty » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:59 am

Republicans used redistricting to build a wall around the House. Trump just tore it down.
GOP gerrymandering did not envision the upending of the Republican coalition.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/ ... 018-984947

"House Democrats steamrolled Republicans in an array of districts last week, from those drawn by independent commissions or courts, to seats crafted specifically by Republicans with the intention of keeping them in the GOP column.

The overriding factor: a Republican president who political mapmakers could not have foreseen at the beginning of the decade. Trump altered the two parties’ coalitions in ways that specifically undermined conventional wisdom about the House map, bringing more rural voters into the GOP tent while driving away college-educated voters."


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