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9/11/01 Gaming

Postby Mad Howler » Wed May 14, 2014 2:27 am

I watched PBS Frontline tonight.
I watched with some young'ns who were born shortly
after 9/11/01 and the initiation of this subterfuge.
Keep an eye on this report,
PBS Frontline has redeemed IMO.
The young'ns are wrestling with a difficult,
Yet obvious context.

What doesn't 'kill' - serves to make one stronger.
Right?!

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby Bwis53 » Wed May 14, 2014 12:17 pm

Can it be found for reviewing?

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby Mad Howler » Wed May 14, 2014 8:37 pm

Bwis53 wrote:Can it be found for reviewing?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... f-secrets/

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby Bwis53 » Wed May 14, 2014 9:12 pm

I read their lengthy synopsis. It's just too depressing. We were warned about this shit decades ago. This was the perfect excuse to make it happen.

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby Mad Howler » Thu May 15, 2014 12:27 am

Bwis53 wrote:I read their lengthy synopsis. It's just too depressing. We were warned about this shit decades ago. This was the perfect excuse to make it happen.

That is just the thing.
The synopsis is long, the video is 2hrs, & the story depressing.
Yes we know the story we collectively would like to move past.
The trouble is that we will continue to be entangled in this past,
Unless it is properly addressed.
When will we?
I think there is a part of us that knows this needs to be done.

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby Bwis53 » Thu May 15, 2014 12:22 pm

This from Wikiquotes: variation of Ben Franklin:

"An earlier variant by Franklin in Poor Richard's Almanack (1738): "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

Many paraphrased derivatives of this have often become attributed to Franklin:

They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.

He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.

People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.

If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.

Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.

Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.

Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you."

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby green union terrace chair » Fri May 16, 2014 12:33 am

This thread is incredible. I have tried to make sense of it without looking at the provided link, and I have absolutely no idea what it's about. I was hesitant to comment at all, so as not to rock the boat, but it's really something.

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby Bwis53 » Fri May 16, 2014 12:29 pm

From the link:
“Through in-depth interviews with more than 60 whistleblowers, elected officials, journalists, intelligence insiders and cabinet officials, we have woven together the secret narrative that reveals the scale and scope of the government’s spying program,” says Kirk. “We’ve gone deep inside the story, from what really happened at the NSA and the White House in the days after 9/11, through the Bush and Obama administrations, directly into the stunning revelations from Edward Snowden.”


More disturbing:
Insiders like congressional intelligence committee staffer Diane Roark took their concerns directly to leaders in Washington and NSA Director Michael Hayden: “I said it was unethical, immoral, politically stupid, illegal and unconstitutional, and should stop — and when this comes out, all hell is going to break loose,” Roark tells FRONTLINE.

As FRONTLINE reports, for Roark and others who objected and spoke out, the consequences were devastating both personally and professionally. Many found themselves under criminal investigation: their security clearances revoked, their homes raided by armed federal agents, and their lives destroyed.

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Re: 9/11/01 Gaming

Postby DCB » Fri May 16, 2014 12:37 pm

I watched it as well.

What I found particularly galling was Bush telling reporters not to disclose this (very illegal) program or else they would have blood on their hands. The same Bush who ignored this.


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