Ted Nugent Visits Local Harpy Vicki Mckenna

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Ted Nugent Visits Local Harpy Vicki Mckenna

Postby pjbogart » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:51 pm

Did you catch Ted Nugent on Vicki McKenna's show tonight? Granted, Vicki has the brains of a boiled lobster, but "The Nuge" sounded like his train was going off the track in a bad way and Vicki somehow kept it together and calmed him down for the next segment only to have it devolve into an insincere weep-fest. He's selling tickets to a show at the Overture on Sunday? Crap, that's the night I had slated to spray Easy-Off in my eyes and I'm going to have to stick with the more pleasant experience.

I looked for a link to this trainwreck but all I saw was a podcast. If someone finds one, post it. A conservative friend of mine even admitted that it was painful to listen to, and this coming from a guy who just endured three hours of Rush's bumbling idiocy and an hour of yet another Hannity screechfest. Really? Ted Nugent sounds a bit insane?

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Re: Ted Nugent Visits Local Harpy Vicki Mckenna

Postby Wino » Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:57 am

Ted is anti-union, among other things. Aren't the stagehands and lighting & sound techs at Overture members of IATSE 251?

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Postby kicksville » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:15 am

Wino wrote:Ted is anti-union, among other things. Aren't the stagehands and lighting & sound techs at Overture members of IATSE 251?


Yep, we are. It should be a rather unpleasant day - fortunately for me, I had other obligations and was able to turn the gig over to our A2. I told him he might want to stick some earplugs in early and leave 'em in ;-)

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Postby Woofer » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:15 am

I couldn't help but listen to the whole thing. It was so un-sane. At the point where he was talking about boogers hanging out of noses, I almost had to pull the car over.

(Still, "Stranglehold" is one of the awesomest songs of all time. And "Intensities In Ten Cities" is one of the awesomest album titles of all time.)

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Postby Michael Patrick » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:34 am

kicksville wrote:
Wino wrote:Ted is anti-union, among other things. Aren't the stagehands and lighting & sound techs at Overture members of IATSE 251?


Yep, we are. It should be a rather unpleasant day - fortunately for me, I had other obligations and was able to turn the gig over to our A2. I told him he might want to stick some earplugs in early and leave 'em in ;-)


Would be a shame if the power went out in the middle of his performance... :wink:

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Postby scratch » Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:46 am

Woofer wrote:(Still, "Stranglehold" is one of the awesomest songs of all time. And "Intensities In Ten Cities" is one of the awesomest album titles of all time.)


Not to mention the song Papa's Will or the album Tooth, Fand, and Claw, to go way way back in the Nuge discography.
Then there's the cover to his Weekend Warrior album on which his guitar is a weapon shooting something (fire? shot?) out the end. Could be a campaign poster idea for Bachmann or a promo pic for Miss Vicki.

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Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:16 am

I have a friend who hates Nugent with a passion usually reserved for Tea Baggers. Through him, I met a guy whose known Nugent for decades, and here's what he had to say about him..

Nugent is renown for his one sided verbal attacks on individuals that do not share his narrow world viewpoint. Nugent uses his media access to vilify others from a microphone that only he has access to. While it is no problem to refute much of Nugent's illogical rants in a neutral setting, most critics of Nugent's rhetoric simply do not have access to the microphone (and audience) at the time that Nugent is spewing his drivel, consequently establishing Nugent's mouth as the only voice in the proverbial forest, which incidently enthralls the bots.

Nugent's dilema however is his ego, his megalomanic penchent for grandstanding in public. He can not get enough of himself, so he presents himself in situations where motivated critics have some form of access. They attend his public appearances in the guise of a worshipper, only to reveal themselves as verbal character assassins in the only forum where it is momentarily possible for them to demonstrate Nugent's lack of logical foundation in a stadium of purely equal footing. This moment is fleeting and best utilized with the realization that Nugent still commands the battleground with his body guards and security staff. The logic assassin has but a few seconds to make his mark before the opportunity is forcibly restricted by the coward who has neither the mental agility or the courage to face the righteous indignation of pent up rebuttal from those who want to set the record straight by exposing Nugent for what he truly is, a facade of bluster and blow, a hypocrite who uses celebrity as a shield against truth and honor.

In these types of situation, the opposer is clearly the intellectual superior, showing Nugent in his true light, a self defined potentate with no ability to support his maniacal public rants, or his pock marked character flaws.

While the verbal critic is dragged away, and Nugent settles back into his protected existence with his worshippers, a subtle truth remains.

The coward cannot stand on his own two feet in the realm of equal debate. He retreats to the safety of his minions and soon all is well in his small world again.

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Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:22 am

Woofer wrote:
(Still, "Stranglehold" is one of the awesomest songs of all time. And "Intensities In Ten Cities" is one of the awesomest album titles of all time.)
The Bass player, Rob Grange, came up with the riff for Stranglehold. Despite Grange falling on tougher times, Nugent has refused to include him in the song writing credits taking the royalties for himself.

Clive Davies, Nugent's long time drummer, killed himself a few years ago because he couldn't afford his medical bills. He apparently pleaded with Nugent for a hand, no dice.

And then there's this from Uber neocon Debbie Schlussel...
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1503/the ... ed-nugent/

All fiction, since Nugent–a Draft Dodger–divorced his wife, used his rock star money to gain sole custody of the kids, lived with a teen groupie who raised the kids (he was too busy touring), cheated on his second wife, Shemane, and had a kid outside of wedlock with Karen Gutowski of New Hampshire, with whom he fought against paying child support for years.

**** UPDATE, 02/17/09: That’s in addition to the two other kids Ted Nugent had out of wedlock with two other different women by the time he turned 21. That’s right. Ted Nugent fathered SEVEN kids with FIVE different women, to which only two of whom he was married.

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Postby rabble » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:27 am

Okay, I'll throw in my two cents. I have to wonder why anybody takes him seriously.

He went through his entire rock career without smoking pot and had absolutely no idea that Journey To The Center Of The Mind and Saint Philip's Friend were about drugs until somebody told him years later.

Yeah. Is he really that stupid, or just a pathological liar?

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Postby Stomach » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:27 am

I'll give The Nuge credit for reviving his career with right wing rhetoric - without the whole guns and hunter crowd he's a heartbeat away from the county fair circuit. He was ahead of the curve on gaining attention for his actions and statements, way ahead of the likes of Coulter and maybe even Limbaugh.

Having said all that, Stranglehold (Prosser's anthem) is an awesome song. I could go for hearing The Great White Buffalo this morning.

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Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:37 am

rabble wrote:
Yeah. Is he really that stupid, or just a pathological liar?
A pathological liar. If you get a chance, ask Wayne Kramer from the MC5 about it when he plays at the Barrymore Sept. 5th. According to Jeff Muendel (Madison), who befriended Wayne in the early 90's in LA and writes for Maximum Ink, Wayne told him Nugent got high every day with them when they lived together.

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Postby ilikebeans » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:43 am

Have to admit I saw him open for Aerosmith many moons ago, and he blew them off the stage. Of course, back then he didn't pace the stage with a pair of assault rifles and threaten Obama and Hillary Clinton. So I have to wonder, is this a form of creeping dementia we've been seeing the past 10-15 years?

And rabble, I'd have to go with pathological liar. He's disavowed the statements he made to High Times back in 1977 about how he stopped all personal hygiene to avoid the draft, claiming he got student deferrals at a time when he was constantly touring. However, his Selective Service record also shows that his physical exam resulted in REJ (rejected).

It would be kinda fun to be a fly on the wall to see who would actually pay money to this asshole these days, but considering that crowd is likely to also be haters of all things Madison, will anyone show up tonight?

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Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:44 am

5 years ago, the campus Republicans, CFACT, scored on a $195,000 grant to bring in conservative speakers. They're first one? Ted Nugent (They gave him $30K). So I told a Nam Vet friend about it and he showed up to watch Ted speak. Here's what happened.

The Badger Herald article: http://badgerherald.com/news/2006/10/26 ... _campu.php
Ted finishes his speech and begins to announce a Q & A with the audience when a Vietnam vet steps up to the mic on the audience floor near the edge of the stage.

TED: Here’s our first one!
VET: I want to welcome Ted Nugent for coming here to speak with us! (Claps into the microphone)
TED: Thank you.
VET: Ted, I think our right wing views are just a little bit different (holding index finger and thumb ½” apart)
TED: How so?
VET: I think I’m more of a patriot than you.
TED: Explain…
VET: I served 3 tours of duty in Vietnam.
TED: (nears edge of stage) I salute you!
VET: Unlike you, who defecated and urinated in his pants to avoid serving his country. I think you’re a yellow-bellied, chicken-livered, traitorous coward! (The crowd starts yelling & whoopin’)

TED (runs back behind podium): You shouldn’t believe everything you read in ‘Cream’ magazine!
VET: (pans the audience with the article) “Detroit Free Press, July 15th, 1990, Interview with Ted Nugent.”

Someone cut the vet’s mic, and two security guards came near him to escort him from the theater as Nugent yells into the mic, “Fuck you!”

The Vet turned back a couple times and said, “ you’re a mother fucking traitorous coward.”

Nugent yelled again, “Eat shit and die!”

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Postby rabble » Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:49 am

jonnygothispen wrote:
rabble wrote:
Yeah. Is he really that stupid, or just a pathological liar?
A pathological liar. If you get a chance, ask Wayne Kramer from the MC5 about it when he plays at the Barrymore Sept. 5th. According to Jeff Muendel (Madison), who befriended Wayne in the early 90's in LA and writes for Maximum Ink, Wayne told him Nugent got high every day with them when they lived together.

So why hasn't anybody come forward and said something about it? Is Wayne afraid of getting shot if he speaks up, or is Jeff afraid of getting shot if he prints it?

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Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:00 am

rabble wrote: So why hasn't anybody come forward and said something about it? Is Wayne afraid of getting shot if he speaks up, or is Jeff afraid of getting shot if he prints it?
I suppose because no one cares.

Jeff had the opportunity to review a Ted Nugent CD about 3 years ago, so I gave him a hard copy of the 1977 High Times interview, which he included excerpts of in the article. But Maximum Ink refused to publish it in the print issue.

Jeff told me that Wayne said, "I respect Ted for for telling the kids to stay off drugs, but when he lived with us, he got high all the time."


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