fisticuffs wrote:But in WI it's not whether the threat was there or not in reality but whether you "felt" the threat. That's an insanely low bar when we are talking life and death.
Not surprisingly you got it wrong again. Try reading the law and get back to us.
The guy in Spooner was under no real threat, shot and killed a 20 y.o. and walked.
Here's your bill.
In general, a person who uses force in self-defense or in the defense of another
person may not be convicted of a crime stemming from that use of force. This law
applies only when: 1) the amount of force used is reasonable; and 2) the person uses
that force to prevent or stop what he or she reasonably believes is an unlawful
interference with himself or herself or another person, such as the crime of battery.
Current law specifies that a person may use force that is intended or likely to cause
the death of or great bodily harm to another individual only if the person reasonably
believes that using such force is necessary to prevent the imminent death of or great
bodily harm to himself or herself or another person.
You don't have to be threatened. You just need to "believe" there is a threat.
Not only that, you don't even have to explain that you thought there was a threat. By the sheer fact that you fired the court has to presume you thought there was a threat. It's asinine. This lady firing at the car in her driveway would be presumed to be using self defense simply because she fired shots. The court would have to prove otherwise. It's a ridiculously low bar for murder if you ask me. We will have to see how the story I posted plays out in court. Charged is not convicted.