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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Sandi » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:38 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:No, what I am saying is that Ned doesn't like health care reform in the U.S., so he points out that some people died in England. I countered with the fact that many more people die in the U.S. every year because of the lack of affordable health care.

What do you have to say about that, Sandi?


The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking education, income and many other factors including smoking, drinking and obesity into account. It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789 excess deaths annually.


Using data from the CDC renders the study questionable at best. The CDC is almost as trustworthy as the IRS.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:15 pm

Sandi wrote:Using data from the CDC renders the study questionable at best. The CDC is almost as trustworthy as the IRS.

Got anything to back up your unsubstantiated assertion, besides your prejudice against the federal government (except for the V.A.)?

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Talon Newsman » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:24 pm

We conservatives are extremely selective about our information sources: we only trust the ones that tell us what we want to hear.

We still don't trust that pipsqueak Nate Silver, for example.

In fact, we trust him even less now that he's been proven right so many times.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:13 am

"According to advance reports, the Government will announce today the end of the deeply controversial Liverpool Care Pathway.

The LCP was written as a treatment programme for doctors and nurses when looking after people who are dying.

Such a programme was deemed necessary because of the all-too-common instances of neglect or inappropriate treatment which dying people were being forced to suffer.

However, the scheme became mired in bitter controversy after relatives and patients claimed that the LCP was being used to accelerate death, or even to kill patients who were not dying at all by starving and dehydrating them until they did, in fact, die.

Worse still were claims of financial incentives for hospital trusts to bump up the LCP numbers"

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:22 am

False analogy. What does Britian's health care system have to do with us?

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:27 am

Henry Vilas wrote:False analogy. What does Britian's health care system have to do with us?

They're just decades ahead. Now go lay in bed and die.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:48 am

Ned Flanders wrote: Now go lay in bed and die.

Tell that to the over 40 million Americans that currently have no health care coverage.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:01 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote: Now go lay in bed and die.

Tell that to the over 40 million Americans that currently have no health care coverage.


Link please.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:07 pm

Link

About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:16 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Link

About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. This means that nearly one-third of Americans face each day without the security of knowing that, if and when they need it, medical care is available to them and their families.

Your link is a tremendous fail. That said, strip away, the illegals, the 20 somethings that don't want insurance, the dummies who pay for cable, cell phone, eating out, iPads and flat screen TVs before they even consider healthcare, you have a few million hard-core cases that could be covered with vouchers. It's not that complicated.

I don't want or need sub-par "pre-paid" government "healthcare". I need insurance for major events. And so do a lot if other people.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:21 pm

The ER is available for all who are in this country for "major events", but preventative care (which the many millions don't have) can often prevent those "major events."

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:38 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:That said, strip away, the illegals, the 20 somethings that don't want insurance, the dummies who pay for cable, cell phone, eating out, iPads and flat screen TVs before they even consider healthcare, you have a few million hard-core cases that could be covered with vouchers. It's not that complicated.


In other words, only rich white people matter.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Detritus » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:41 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:That said, strip away, the illegals, the 20 somethings that don't want insurance, the dummies who pay for cable, cell phone, eating out, iPads and flat screen TVs before they even consider healthcare, you have a few million hard-core cases that could be covered with vouchers.

Speaking of "link fail," any evidence for your claim?

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:23 pm

wack wack wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:That said, strip away, the illegals, the 20 somethings that don't want insurance, the dummies who pay for cable, cell phone, eating out, iPads and flat screen TVs before they even consider healthcare, you have a few million hard-core cases that could be covered with vouchers. It's not that complicated.


In other words, only rich white people matter.


That's your take, not mine sister.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:22 pm

That said, strip away, the illegals, the 20 somethings that don't want insurance, the dummies who pay for cable, cell phone, eating out, iPads and flat screen TVs before they even consider healthcare, you have a few million hard-core cases that could be covered with vouchers. It's not that complicated.


Wait. Add in the college graduates with big student loans who are working at coffee shops, the young parents who are working double shifts at Stop n Go, the tech school students delivering pizzas, and just about anybody who didn't grab a $40K+ job after leaving school. Don't tell me they all don't "want" insurance. They're just paying rent, utilities, groceries, maybe child care, and transportation first. Sit down and do the numbers. What would you do?


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