snoqueen wrote:Oh, I'm just so SURE if some gun-owning Jew in a Polish ghetto had come to the door and shot the SS man, they'd have just left him alone after that.
Of course not. The SS would have burned the whole ghetto down that same night.
This line of argument is not only unprovable, it's totally contrary to what we know about that time in history. The continental army itself could not stop Hitler without outside help over a period of several years, help that included our own army, navy, and air force. Why do you think a small minority of armed urban dwellers had a chance?
Y'know, snow, that's the point - people did
get away. A lot of those who are alive today, are so, because they escaped. It's sort of hideously contradictory to listen to a flock of mouth-foaming leftists wax on about the holocaust while simultaneously pronouncing society 'too evolved' to ever need to worry about guarding against that kind of tyranny again.
I am not a gun person, have never owned a gun, don't want to own a gun. But people need to be able to buy them.
You look at places marked by tyranny, you look at people who survived; many of these people are only alive today because they were in some way able to defend themselves in some desperate situation. Many of those survivors lived in countries where the sycophants like many here, laughed at the idea, that it could happen there in "modern times".
You talk about history - please realize, it's more than just a story; more than just broad statements about general trends and likelihoods: it's specific
. It's not about whether these groups or these forces could have counter-effected these opposing groups and forces. For civilians, it was about if you could get away
; however you could. If you read a lot of stories about the people who did get away, it was because they used everything they had, or could get; money, bribes, friendships, family members, distant acquaintances, thrift, a series of elaborate hiding places, sacrificing, more of all of the above and lastly, hopefully not, self defense.