johnfajardohenry wrote:Detritus wrote:O, I can haz gender now?
That better, Nemo?
Sure thing, Dave.
pjbogart wrote:I think most women (and men even more so) would be more than happy to give up a little sex for a few thousand dollars.
pjbogart wrote:We're not talking about Badger Road hookers here, where a woman isn't sure if she'll get paid until the money is in her hand and the John is driving away.
Ducatista wrote:Or maybe I'm the atypical one.
Ducatista wrote: My friends and I were and still are a fairly libertine bunch, but "giving up a little sex" for cash was and still is on the other side of a very bright line.... I don't think "most women" would be comfortable with a cash transaction.
Huckleby wrote:This is a consistent, strong reaction I've heard from women. They are adamant that putting a price on sex is wrong. The reaction seems close to universal.
Huckleby wrote:Exhibit A: wild-woman Ducasista is sensitive about the word "cunt." Have you ever known a man who was sensitive about the word "dick"? This is a related issue and a clue.
I wrote:I can say cunt, but if you say it (as a man) I'll think you're a total cunt.
Huckleby wrote:Women hold a sacredness about reproduction that men just can't relate to, I think. Selling access to the tunnel of life is sacrilege.
Huckleby wrote:Another theory: sexuality is a power women generally hold over men. Women are the choosers, most often. If that power can be equated to a cash transfer, it diminishes. I don't know if this one is true.
Ducatista wrote: My friends and I were and still are a fairly libertine bunch, but "giving up a little sex" for cash was and still is on the other side of a very bright line.
Ducatista wrote: Universal in your world, not in mine. The consensus I've heard, even among the straighter-laced women I know: it's fine for her (or: good for her!), but I'd never do it.
"dick" is hardly a term of endearment.Ducatista wrote: Cunt, unless used playfully between profanity-friendly female friends, is an escalator, especially from a guy. It's either aggressively mean, or incredibly tone deaf. I'd say tone deaf for you, considering you think dick and cunt are equivalent.
Ducatista wrote: Personally: the "tunnel of life"? Not this cunt. Nothing goes out the in door. The uterus is a reproductive organ. The vag is a sexual organ.
After I've endured a period, yes, maybe I want a little space. Men have feelings too, your crabbing takes its toll.Ducatista wrote:Hey, you're back to your old lots-of-spaces-after-a-period trick.
Not much. I wouldn't particularly want to be a woman in the dating dynamics. Actually, everything gets way more sane after about 30 anyway. The hormonal imbalance levels out.Ducatista wrote:But back on topic: And women have managed to leverage that power into what, exactly?
Ya, that stigma part is a big deal. And it goes beyond culture, it's been so ingrained over the centuries that I expect it is now genetic.Ducatista wrote:I don't think women's reluctance is any big mystery. Morality aside, I'd say it comes down to two things:
1) Safety. Despite your power theory, women are more vulnerable than men when it comes to sex—to STDs, pregnancy, violence. And not a little more vulnerable. By orders of magnitude.
2) Stigma. When's the last time you used "whore" as a compliment, Huck?
Huckleby wrote:Seems to be a direct contradiction here, emotionally.
Ducatista wrote:Yes, the words carry different tones. Why? They are both slang terms for genitalia. Why is the c word mean? Because it hits a nerve.
Huckleby wrote:Ya, that stigma part is a big deal.
Ducatista wrote: But cunt falls much closer to nigger or fag territory. They hit a nerve, too.
I didn't say safety is not an issue. The practical reasons that women avoid prostitution are obvious. I'm not buying for a second that woman are more negative towards prostitution than men because of practicalities. Or that women would engage freely in prostitution absent practical problems. Sex-for-pay would be a "bright clear line" in the absence of the STD issue. Women are not condemning SFH in large numbers because they worry she might get a STD.Ducatista wrote:And the safety part isn't?? That's just skeevy, man, like much of your post.Huckleby wrote:Ya, that stigma part is a big deal.
Huckleby wrote:Ducatista wrote: But cunt falls much closer to nigger or fag territory. They hit a nerve, too.
why? "cunt" is no more demeaning than "dick"
Is it because the word sounds dirty? whorish? why?
Rather than give thoughtful answers, you get angry and make demeaning remarks. So skip it if you aren't capable of a civil conversation about this topic.
Huckleby wrote:Oh, and you may think the word "pussy" is good to go, but I once knew a woman who hated that word more than any in the english language. She was a strong feminist back in the 70's, and the metaphor of the female genitals as weakness drove her bonkers.
Ducatista wrote:but "giving up a little sex" for cash was and still is on the other side of a very bright line.
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