Biden for Prez in 2016?

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Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:43 pm

For as long as I can remember, at least since the 1960 election, I've been hearing that the Vice Presidency is a natural pick to be president.

I've seen comments here on the Forum to this effect and just saw some comments elsewhere that Biden was positioning himself for 2016 last night. The writer was very supportive of Biden's performance.

What I've never understood is why this is such a common meme.

In the entire history of the US we have had 2, count 'em, 2, sitting VPs succeed to the presidency.

We have had 1 (Nixon) who sat out a term, ran and won the big chair. (Since 1900, at least)

We have had 5 who became prez on the death of the president (Or resignation, in Ford's case)

4 (Roosevelt, Coolidge, Truman & LBJ) managed to get elected in their own right. None of the 5 served a 2nd full term.

Nixon got re-elected but we all know how that turned out.

So where does this myth that the Vice President is a good qualification to run for Prez come from? Why does it refuse to lie down and die?

Anyone have any thoughts?

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:45 pm

I forgot to mention Hilary.

Back in 08 there was talk that she should be VP to position her for '16

More recently there was talk that Biden should step aside in her favor for the same reason.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby Stebben84 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:35 pm

First off, please link to these comments from said writer. Second, I don't think he would win. Third, I hope you're ready to donate to my charity for our bet.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:51 pm

Stebben84 wrote:First off, please link to these comments from said writer. Second, I don't think he would win. Third, I hope you're ready to donate to my charity for our bet.


1) I see a lot of stuff coming across my screens and can't always find it again. I am not sure if this is the same article I had in mind but it certainly mirrors the sentiments. This was the first result of a search on Biden +positions +2016 which returned about a million hits total.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

I did not mean this to be a discussion so much of Joe in 16 as a more general discussion of VPs and the presidency. Joe just triggered the thoughts.

2) I agree that it is doubtful Biden could win. That assumes he could even get nominated which I think is a huge stretch.

3) I suspect now that both Joe and Barry will be on the ticket come November. If they are, I will pay off.

If they are not, I will expect you and the others to pay off.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby manoletters » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:36 pm

Joe Biden TROUNCED Paul Ryan, on Medicare, where Ryan has been lyin'. I was really pleased that Biden condemned Ryan's voucher plan, which is just a means of eliminating Medicare's guarantee of coverage, no matter what misleading euphemism Ryan employs. The Vice, unlike Obama's deference to Romney, didn't allow the lies Ryan has been spewing through his teeth to go unchallenged. Biden also prevailed on the Iran issue, when he pleaded with "folks" (i.e., Republicans and perhaps a few Blue dog Dems who are just itching for war with Iran) to back off from the loose talk and dangerous war-mongering. The Vice Pres wisely quoted Former Defense Secretary Gates, who very intelligently understands the the LAST thing the USA needs right now is another war in the Middle East. And Biden was quite correct when he described a possible war in the straights of Hormuz as a disastrous prospect for America's vital interests. Did Biden grin and cackle too much? Maybe, but I don't believe that to be very important. Did he interrupt Paul Ryan on more than a few occasions? Perhaps, but didn't Mitt Romney repeatedly interrupt Barack Obama last week in Denver? Biden is Biden, and his personal drawbacks are just that. But he FOUGHT a good fight. I'd sooner vote Biden for President than the thoroughly sold-out, opportunistic Barack Obama, whom I now despise unconditionally. If Obama doesn't come out swinging in the next presidential debate, I will literally hate him. The POTUS's performance was a disgrace. I'm not accepting any of the arguments attempting to justify the president's failure. We NEED more angry black men, and angry white men too, for that matter. We need more angry women as well, and all these irate folks should be very incensed at the American ruling class. Angry enough to tell the Repubs and their Democrat-plutocrat collaborators that we need to tax the rich MORE, and the middle class about the same as presently. That was another area where Biden told the truth, namely that Ryan's tax policy serves the billionaire class to the detriment of the rest of America. Indeed - Joe Biden for President in 2012!

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby Sandi » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:45 pm

I forgot to mention Hilary.


That might be getting tougher since Ben Rhodes, Deputy National Security Adviser to the President threw her under the bus.

The Cable asked Deputy National Security Advisor for Communications Ben Rhodes whether Biden was speaking for the entire Obama administration, including the State Department, which acknowledged receiving multiple requests for more Libya security in the months before the attacks. Rhodes said that Biden speaks only for himself and the president and neither of them knew about the requests at the time.

The State Department security officials who testified before House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa's panel Wednesday never said they had made their requests to the president, Rhodes pointed out. That would be natural because the State Department is responsible for diplomatic security, not the White House, he said. Rhodes also pointed out that the officials were requesting more security in Tripoli, not Benghazi.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby bdog » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:46 pm

manoletters wrote:Joe Biden TROUNCED Paul Ryan, on Medicare, where Ryan has been lyin'.

I was really pleased that Biden condemned Ryan's voucher plan, which is just a means of eliminating Medicare's guarantee of coverage, no matter what misleading euphemism Ryan employs. The Vice, unlike Obama's deference to Romney, didn't allow the lies Ryan has been spewing through his teeth to go unchallenged.

Biden also prevailed on the Iran issue, when he pleaded with "folks" (i.e., Republicans and perhaps a few Blue dog Dems who are just itching for war with Iran) to back off from the loose talk and dangerous war-mongering. The Vice Pres wisely quoted Former Defense Secretary Gates, who very intelligently understands the the LAST thing the USA needs right now is another war in the Middle East.

And Biden was quite correct when he described a possible war in the straights of Hormuz as a disastrous prospect for America's vital interests.

Did Biden grin and cackle too much? Maybe, but I don't believe that to be very important. Did he interrupt Paul Ryan on more than a few occasions? Perhaps, but didn't Mitt Romney repeatedly interrupt Barack Obama last week in Denver? Biden is Biden, and his personal drawbacks are just that. But he FOUGHT a good fight.

I'd sooner vote Biden for President than the thoroughly sold-out, opportunistic Barack Obama, whom I now despise unconditionally. If Obama doesn't come out swinging in the next presidential debate, I will literally hate him. The POTUS's performance was a disgrace. I'm not accepting any of the arguments attempting to justify the president's failure.

We NEED more angry black men, and angry white men too, for that matter.

We need more angry women as well, and all these irate folks should be very incensed at the American ruling class.

Angry enough to tell the Repubs and their Democrat-plutocrat collaborators that we need to tax the rich MORE, and the middle class about the same as presently.

That was another area where Biden told the truth, namely that Ryan's tax policy serves the billionaire class to the detriment of the rest of America.

Indeed - Joe Biden for President in 2012!


Not good, but better.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby Stella_Guru » Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:31 am

manoletters wrote: If Obama doesn't come out swinging in the next presidential debate, I will literally hate him. The POTUS's performance was a disgrace. I'm not accepting any of the arguments attempting to justify the president's failure.

If Obomber appears to lose the next debate be prepared for the last hope argument of the Dems. The next President will have to nominate one or two justices to the Supreme Court and so we must vote for Obama.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby Igor » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:37 am

Stella_Guru wrote:
manoletters wrote: If Obama doesn't come out swinging in the next presidential debate, I will literally hate him. The POTUS's performance was a disgrace. I'm not accepting any of the arguments attempting to justify the president's failure.

If Obomber appears to lose the next debate be prepared for the last hope argument of the Dems. The next President will have to nominate one or two justices to the Supreme Court and so we must vote for Obama.


I would say that is an effective argument for driving turnout. It is probably less helpful for getting independent voters. My guess would be that there are more independents that want a left-leaning legislature and right-leaning judiciary than the other way around.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby Ned Flanders » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:44 pm

Crazy as a shithouse rat and one heartbeat away from the button isn't a good combination.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby bdog » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:18 am

Biden meets with Warren

It's getting real...

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby PaleoLiberal » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:31 am

Possible.
At this point he is seen as a backup by the Serious People (donor class) in case Hilary falters.

I loved the takeoff SNL did of Biden in his debate back in 2012. Now I'm going to have to look it up.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby snoqueen » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:45 am

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/p ... html?ml=po

White House staff is torn over the possibility of a Biden candidacy. It's kind of touching how fond of him they've become on a personal level, even as commitments have already been made to support Clinton.

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Re: Biden for Prez in 2016?

Postby Ned Flanders » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:58 am

Slo Joe and Fauxcahonis scheming (with Barry's blessing).

In any month other than August in the Summer of Trump, the fact that a sitting vice president asked a major progressive avatar to meet with him before a decision about a presidential campaign would have been a news bomb.

The private meeting on Saturday between Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts may have gotten less attention than it might have otherwise, but it was the clearest signal yet of Mr. Biden’s seriousness in thinking about entering the race. The two spoke for well over an hour about a range of policy issues and the presidential campaign.

They met at his residence at the Naval Observatory, which is just a short distance from the Washington home of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the poll leader in the Democratic nominating contest, who is facing the roughest patch of her candidacy amid questions about her use of a private email server while she was secretary of state.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-d ... t-accuser/


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