DCB wrote:First of all, those phrases are more commonly associated with the city of Chicago, not the state of Wisconsin. Seriously, you can't even get your bullshit right.
Quite right about the "more commonly" but they are not uncommonly associated with Wisconsin and virtually every state and city. Jokingly, in most cases, but still regularly heard.
DCB wrote:Second, there is no 'appearance' of fraud. There are only unsubstantiated statements.
Yeah like these:
"David Lewis and Ramon Martinez, who were charged with election fraud arising out of the November 4, 2008, Presidential Election, entered guilty pleas Tuesday wherein they admitted they voted illegally"
Charge: Falsely Procuring Voter Registration (Felony Class I)
Next date: December 6, 2010, for sentencing
Walton was a special registration deputy (“SRD”) who solicited voter registrations while working for the Community Voter Project (“CVP”).
Charges: Voting by a Disqualified Person (Felon) (Felony Class I)
Providing False Information to an Election Official (Felony Class I)
Next date: November 19, 2010, for motion decision on defense constitutional challenge
This is a felon voter case. Milwaukee Public Defender is challenging the felon voter prohibition.
(DOJ = Wisconsin Dept of Justice)
And so on. Let me know if you want more.
Things like this are what give the appearance (or perception) of fraud to the average voter. It doesn't take too many cases to damage the perception of lack of integrity in the process. A dozen each cycle would probably be enough.
DCB wrote:If there was a valid reason to enforce a voter ID, then at a minimum the state should make sure that all citizens are able to meet the requirements.
I agree 100%. The state has an obligation to provide an ID card. I see 2 ways this can be done:
If registering as motor voter, then one will have a driver's license so no problem.
If registering in the normal process, the registrar should the registrar issue an ID card at time of registration? (As we do here) They will have all the info necessary.
You could probably even include the card as a tear-off portion of the form filled out for registration. Not terribly secure, even with an official stamp or, better, an embossed seal. Still, it would be way better than what you have now.
Is there a reason this is not done in Wisconsin?
DCB wrote:But the Republicans in PA don't seem particularly concerned whether 750,00+ voters will be able to get a valid ID before the next election.
Perhaps because I am not a republican I too am concerned about this. As strongly as I believe in ID for voting (and I would not even register in a state that didn't require them) I don't think it should be implemented at the last moment.
I think that it needs to be implemented now for the 2014 elections to give people a chance to get id.
We will still probably have the problem as most people will put it off until September 2014 and we will have to listen to the sob stories all over again.