Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:38 am

DCB wrote:The "right to vote" is just the product of activist judges.

Bulllshit.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
Fifteenth Amendment
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby wack wack » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:48 am

Dangerousman wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:"We call those poll taxes"


What a crock from Holder. There's your selective outrage for you.

If requiring an ID is discriminatory because of a disparate impact on minorities and elderly, then why isn't Holder fighting against the requirement to show ID when buying a firearm from a federally licensed dealer? Can't have it both ways, Holder: either it's having a discriminatory impact for both constitutionally protected activities, or for neither.


Well, if it's an either/or proposition, let's remove ID requirements from firearm purchase.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:58 am

The Texas Voter ID law, now being contested in federal court, allows concealed carry IDs for voting, but not student IDs.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:56 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
DCB wrote:The "right to vote" is just the product of activist judges.

Bulllshit.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
Fifteenth Amendment
U.S. Constitution


And the Nineteenth Amendment.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:01 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:The Texas Voter ID law, now being contested in federal court, allows concealed carry IDs for voting, but not student IDs.


And that makes a certain amount of sense, since anyone who has a Texas concealed carry license is 1) a resident of Texas and 2) isn't disqualified from voting due to felony conviction. The qualifications to get a TX concealed carry license are more stringent than the requirements to vote, to say the least. On the other hand, producing a student ID only shows that you're enrolled in school but is no guarantee that you're even a resident of the state.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:04 pm

pjbogart wrote:Hmmm. I wonder if being able to vote in a democracy is considered more sacrosanct than the right to own a firearm?

On the one hand we have people attempting to exercise the most fundamental right of democracy, on the other hand we have people who want to own devices which are adept at killing other people.

Let's see... if we're going to restrict access to one of these rights, should we make it the right to own guns or the right to vote?


Why does one have to be more sacrosanct than the other? Can't they be equally valuable to a free society?

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:12 pm

Dangerousman wrote:On the other hand, producing a student ID only shows that you're enrolled in school but is no guarantee that you're even a resident of the state.

Huh? Students are still residents and can vote while attending school.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:19 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Dangerousman wrote:On the other hand, producing a student ID only shows that you're enrolled in school but is no guarantee that you're even a resident of the state.

Huh? Students are still residents and can vote while attending school.


You've never heard of out-of-state students? Foreign students?

In Texas you aren't automatically a resident of Texas even if you are attending school there. You have to establish residency and you may retain your home state residency.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:25 pm

Dangerousman wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:
Dangerousman wrote:On the other hand, producing a student ID only shows that you're enrolled in school but is no guarantee that you're even a resident of the state.

Huh? Students are still residents and can vote while attending school.


You've never heard of out-of-state students? Foreign students?

Yet they can obtain a Texas driver's license.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:47 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Yet they can obtain a Texas driver's license.


Yes, if they've established residency. But let's get back to your original post about TX concealed carry license as voter ID. Why did you bring it up? What is your objection? Do you consider it an inferior form of ID or do you think the student ID ought to be considered as equally valid?

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:03 pm

My point is that Texas allows other forms of IDs to vote, but not student IDs. Remember when Wisconsin went through a similar debate? University and four-year-college IDs are acceptable, but tech college IDs (such as MATC) were disallowed.

The whole ID controversy is about voter suppression. But since guns were mentioned, you went into your automatic defense mode.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Ducatista » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:53 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:The whole ID controversy is about voter suppression.

Yup. Accepting the permit and not accepting the student ID makes it harder for students to vote, and easier for concealed carriers. Guess which party is likely to benefit from an electorate light on students and heavy on concealed carriers?

Which is precisely why Republicans are pushing so hard for voter ID laws. It has nothing to do with election fraud and everything to do with stacking the deck.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Slick Willy » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:13 pm

House Republican Leader Mike Turzai showed the true intentions behind the voter ID law, and it had nothing to do with upholding the integrity of elections.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Voter fraud has never flipped an election in this country, but the voter ID law might.

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:32 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:My point is that Texas allows other forms of IDs to vote, but not student IDs. Remember when Wisconsin went through a similar debate? University and four-year-college IDs are acceptable, but tech college IDs (such as MATC) were disallowed.

The whole ID controversy is about voter suppression. But since guns were mentioned, you went into your automatic defense mode.


Seems to me that it's more likely that since guns were mentioned you went into your automatic offense mode since you seem to try to disparage anything to do with guns.

It's interesting, if not downright hilarious, that the Democrats who object so vehemently to ID requirements for participation in the democratic process, nevertheless require a photo ID to enter the Massachusetts Democratic Convention. Check page 14 of their convention guide:

http://www.massdems.org/wp-content/uplo ... pload1.pdf

"A PHOTO ID WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENTER
THE MASSMUTUAL CENTER"

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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:40 pm

Did the ID requirement at the political convention disenfranchise any voters?


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