Madsci wrote: Twinner wrote:
Madsci wrote:The curves and hills are what make biking in rural areas so dangerous in my opinion. I have had to slam on my breaks to avoid flattening a clueless bicyclist on more than one occasion. They are kinda like deer in that way.
I'm one of those cyclists riding 3' to the left of the fog line
Okay...Twinner, sorry I snapped your spandex but... dude you have really have a problem. I am a very safe defensive driver, must be from riding a bike to commute to work for 30 years. So I guess I should buy a can of orange spray paint. Just in case I flatten you with my car, you can get a big orange X, just like the road kill deer.
30 years? Congratulations. I started dealing with motorists on rides in 1978 so we've probably ridden together on the road.
First of all I rarely ride the state trails or MUT's. I average 250 miles a week on the road. Nearly all of the 9,000 miles I rode last year was on county roads or on surface streets in Madison to get to the the county roads. Most of the roads I'm riding have at most 10" of pavement to the right of the fog line. There's no bike lane on these roads. So the 3' I'm occupying (20" is me) is the footprint of the bike allowing for shit on the pavement. Glass, rocks, potholes,and other various debris gets plowed to the edge of the road so I'm taking 3' for me. Rarely do I suddenly swerve to the centerline. If I do need to go around something in the road I check to see if there's a car behind me and I do one of two things: I gesture that I'm changing my position on the road or I soft-pedal until the car goes by and I go around the obstacle. The second option is what I do because I know how it's perceived by the driver if their progress is delayed.
So when I said "think when you're behind the wheel" I meant it. If you're not capable of avoiding an object 3' to the left of the fog line you don't need to be behind the wheel.
You talk about road kill, do you run over the dead raccoons and deer when you drive because you couldn't react in time? Do you drive so fast into blind corners or over blind crests that you don't allow yourself time to react? Never mind the cyclists, what about walkers who live on the property adjacent to the road? What about multi-ton farm implements? Are you as hostile to farmers on their tractors while they're at work?
Someone suggested I get over myself. I'm the one out there without an airbag, seatbelt and a ton of car protecting me. If you as a motorist can't get it in your head that being behind the wheel isn't an entitlement and that you have to share the road... then you need to get over yourself. Driving a car isn't about you.
As for my "standing my ground" comment. I know two Madison lawyers who, before they were members of the Bar, were part of a group that dragged a driver out of his truck and beat the hell out of him after he drove a pack of riders off the road. I know of many other encounters and even had a guy get out of his Caddy to take a swing at me after he passed me. I may have bloodied my knuckles but the police let me go on the spot and took him to the hospital. You may think we look frail and weak on a bike but when I get off the bike I'm 6', 175lbs. While I don't feel the need to carry concealed, guess what, other cyclists do.