Prof. Wagstaff wrote: WestSideYuppie wrote:
Huckleby wrote:"catholics" is a meaningless generalization. But maybe you are refering to the church power brokers.
I think it is important not to turn this controversy into us versus catholics.
And how is Catholic a meaningless generalization?
Well, nearly meaningless.
"Catholic" could mean anybody who has been Baptized, or it could mean anybody who accepts the totality of Catholic doctrine, or anything in between. I have a rule of thumb, which is to avoid trying to guess somebody's beliefs from the doctrines of their sect, and that is the sense in which I took Huckleby's comment to heart.
If the position of the Church is so far out of whack from what those at the parish level believe, why in God's name do they continue to be members? Pick a new church. Start your own. Maybe consider that there's something seriously fucked up with your worldview if you believe in and pray to a God who chooses as his representatives on Earth people who say and do things you know in your gut are wrong.
Yeeeesh. The enormous amount of people who seem to participate in and financially support religious organizations whose rules and doctrines they seemingly hold in contempt is mind-boggling to this atheist. If I told you that I just joined a group and I'm now paying them dues but don't agree with many of their central doctrines, you'd rightly accuse me of being nuts. And if I then insisted that even though I'm not going to follow the rules of the group, I will continue to financially support them in their efforts to outlaw the very practices I disagree with, you'd rightly call me stone cold fucking crazy. How does this scenario suddenly become sane -- and off-limits to criticism -- just by adding an ancient desert god into the equation?
I can't disagree any of this, but at the same time, I honestly don't understand what causes people to adopt or abandon religious beliefs. For some, participation is a mental habit that is hard to break. They may fear the supernatural violence that they have been threatened with. Some may believe that a modicum of religious education is beneficial to their kids. I guess all of this can be summed up in: "I don't know." It's a stubborn meme.