snoqueen wrote:I'm one that hates roundabouts, and if that makes me an old fart so be it.
You're an old fart.
snoqueen wrote:What is the inner lane for?
Nobody in their right mind would drive anywhere but the outer lane because if you go on the inner one, no one will let you merge outward and you'll be stuck going around and around the dumb thing because you'll miss your turnoff. This has happened to me.
But the outer lane is full of people rushing at you from your right, so you really can't drive comfortably there either. You're always slowing way way down to let a stream of cars merge, even though supposedly they're supposed to yield to traffic already in the circle. Of course they don't.
So where do you drive?
I don't get why people like these things -- the best they do is make for softer crashes. I'll go miles out of my way to avoid them. Now that I know about the Lien Road one, I'll use E. Wash.
snoqueen wrote:OK, I did the Google thing and found a four-point set of instructions on the WisDOT page. Rule two is this:Stay in your lane; do not change lanes.
Here's a rule on the order of "wash, rinse, repeat" on your shampoo bottle. If you stay in your lane, and you are using the inside lane (the recommended way of going three-quarters of the way around the circle before exiting, the equivalent of a right turn-- see helpful diagram previously posted) YOU CANNOT LEAVE THE ROUNDABOUT WITHOUT BREAKING THE ABOVE RULE. And if you are using the roundabout during a busy part of the day, nobody's gonna let you merge outward. This is one of those times a 1987 Buick is your vehicle of choice. Why let somebody mess up your cute little Mini Cooper?
Of course, nobody is in the sky watching, so the sensible solution is do everything from the outer lane and be super-super careful not to get merged into. I agree, a sideswipe crash is better than a head-on, but who the hell wants to get their car totaled?
First of all, your "solution" (just do everything from the "outer lane") is 100% wrong. It is likely doing that would lead to *more* accidents. If you go into the roundabout with a car to your left and they are planning to go straight through but you are planning to go left, you'll hit them, and it will be your fault, not theirs.
Second...stop thinking about "inner" and "outer" and just read the signs. The three roundabouts I'm aware of on the east side are all clearly marked. I'd actually argue all of the talk here is counterintuitive: just read the signs. And when going in to the roundabout, yield to traffic inside it. It doesn't matter what lane it is in. If the traffic is already in, you yield to it. Do that (follow the signs and yield going in) and things will be great. Start ignoring what the signs say, and you're likely to cause a crash.
When you yield going in, you're already assuming traffic in either lane may be leaving the roundabout to your right. I.e., going in front of you. Which they can/should.
I went through the Lien Rd roundabout today (twice) for the first time with any significant amount of traffic. Based on 4:45 on a Friday, anyway, an order of magnitude better than it was before. No long backups at the light, no cars stuck waiting to go on Lien Rd east from Thompson, no cars trying to turn from both directions of Lien Rd onto Zeier Rd, etc. I'm guessing things might not flow *quite* as freely when things get *really* busy and cars have to stop and wait a few seconds to enter, but that still seems like nothing compared to the mess that was there before.