No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby nofpssinwisconsin » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:28 pm

ilikebeans wrote:
nofpssinwisconsin wrote:If everyone associated with Raven and Humanhead killed themselves today, would the world be a better place?

No.

Speaking as a friend of a Human Head employee, I find that incredibly offensive.

Now go away.


You have taken the quote out of context. It was in relation to our inter-group discussion on the fact that many of us would rather die than produce FPSS's.

But since you have a friend that works for HumanHead. Please have a discussion with him/her and ask for a justification of the value of their product. Ask yourself does your friends work help you to be safer.

Or maybe next time you walk down the street at night, and you bump into a sixteen year old gangbanger/redneck/autistic kid who plays HumanHead games for 60 hours a week, has dropped out of school, is carrying a gun, and doesn't like the way you look at him, and then you can thank your friend for his work.

Do you also have friends that produce pornography or heroin?

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby Mad Howler » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:32 pm

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:No, we are upset that Raven and Humanhead products are addictive and promote destructive behavior
...We object to such a destructive product being produced in Wisconsin
... We'd rather they produced pornography, because it's less destructive and shameful to our community.

Maybe I missed it.
But whom is the "we" you speak of?

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby Bad Gradger » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:38 pm

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:a sixteen year old gangbanger/redneck/autistic kid who plays HumanHead games for 60 hours a week, has dropped out of school, is carrying a gun, and doesn't like the way you look at him

Shit, you know Creepy Steve too?

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:42 pm

Mad Howler wrote:
nofpssinwisconsin wrote:No, we are upset that Raven and Humanhead products are addictive and promote destructive behavior
...We object to such a destructive product being produced in Wisconsin
... We'd rather they produced pornography, because it's less destructive and shameful to our community.

Maybe I missed it.
But whom is the "we" you speak of?

he has a facebook page he talks too.

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:sixteen year old gangbanger/redneck/autistic kid


Nice bigoted fear mongering. Imagine if all the bigots in the world decided to kill themselves rather then say horrible shit about others in an attempt to drive their ill informed agendas.

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby nofpssinwisconsin » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:08 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:
Mad Howler wrote:
nofpssinwisconsin wrote:No, we are upset that Raven and Humanhead products are addictive and promote destructive behavior
...We object to such a destructive product being produced in Wisconsin
... We'd rather they produced pornography, because it's less destructive and shameful to our community.

Maybe I missed it.
But whom is the "we" you speak of?

he has a facebook page he talks too.

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:sixteen year old gangbanger/redneck/autistic kid


Nice bigoted fear mongering. Imagine if all the bigots in the world decided to kill themselves rather then say horrible shit about others in an attempt to drive their ill informed agendas.


We are a small group, that includes parents, grandparents, and whose professions include, teacher, physician, health care administrator, small business owner...But I have been designated as the main writer, because I do the most writing for work.

We are limited in new technology, have had a very difficult setting up our facebook page, and have started an email campaign as well, but gather addresses from publicly listed sites and individually send them out. We have sent out over 4,000 emails, mostly in the Madison area. And we just discovered the forum as a place to post this week.

Does anyone know of other forums in the State that we can post?

I have been chastised by the group for being too emotional in my writing. And your example of stereotyping is somewhat correct. I was trying to cross the spectrum so not to be racial, but I understand how it might be misinterpreted. I also need to start to stop taking comments so personally. Thank you for your comment.

So, I would like to revise the above statement, to everyone:

Next time you are walking around a night, and bump into a sixteen year old, who has dropped out of school, who is carrying a gun, who may have some mental or emotional disorders, and who is addicted to Raven/HumanHead FPSS products for 60 hours a week........then you can thank the makers of these products for their contribution to our community.

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby Mad Howler » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:45 pm

I have a certain aversion for trollish behaviour and you 'nofpssinwisconsin' have caught my eye.
nofpssinwisconsin wrote:We are a small group, ...But I have been designated as the main writer, because I do the most writing for work. 

We are limited in new technology, have had a very difficult setting up our facebook page, and have started an email campaign as well, but gather addresses from publicly listed sites and individually send them out.. We have sent out over 4,000 emails, mostly in the Madison area. And we just discovered the forum as a place to post this week. 
...
I have been chastised by the group for being too emotional in my writing. And your example of stereotyping is somewhat correct. I was trying to cross the spectrum so not to be racial,
...
So, I would like to revise the above statement, to everyone:

Next time you are walking around a night, and bump into a sixteen year old, who has dropped out of school, who is carrying a gun, who may have some mental or emotional disorders, and who is addicted to Raven/HumanHead FPSS products for 60 hours a week........then you can thank the makers of these products for their contribution to our community.

In my opinion you are welcome to post here.
But I will warn you to be prepared for discourse,
If you are sincere with your intent.

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby acereraser » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:22 am

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:Next time you are walking around a night, and bump into a sixteen year old, who has dropped out of school, who is carrying a gun, who may have some mental or emotional disorders, and who is addicted to Raven/HumanHead FPSS products for 60 hours a week........then you can thank the makers of these products for their contribution to our community.


This is one of the stranger things to land on this board for a while, so I will dip a toe, for the lulz.

Of all the factors you have detailed in the scenario above, it seems odd that you would single out Raven/HumanHead FPSS products. Why ignore education, when that has actually been statistically linked to violent crime? Or, how about access to the gun? And then there is the mental health issue. What's your deal? It feels personal.

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby nofpssinwisconsin » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:54 am

acereraser wrote:
nofpssinwisconsin wrote:Next time you are walking around a night, and bump into a sixteen year old, who has dropped out of school, who is carrying a gun, who may have some mental or emotional disorders, and who is addicted to Raven/HumanHead FPSS products for 60 hours a week........then you can thank the makers of these products for their contribution to our community.


This is one of the stranger things to land on this board for a while, so I will dip a toe, for the lulz.

Of all the factors you have detailed in the scenario above, it seems odd that you would single out Raven/HumanHead FPSS products. Why ignore education, when that has actually been statistically linked to violent crime? Or, how about access to the gun? And then there is the mental health issue. What's your deal? It feels personal.


It is personal to us because these products are being produced in our state. Nationally, we could be discussing Phillip Morris or globally De Boers. When Sixty Minutes does an expose on company products and practices like they did with the Cigarette Industry, it was personal because it is our country and our community. What about the protesters of the mines up north. It is personal to them. Or even people who support or are opposed to the current Governor or President. Is it personal?

Why, Raven and Human Head? We are trying to Think Globally/Act Locally.

In a previous post, it's is stated that we do not absolve parental or personal responsibility, we don't claim direct cause, we are concerned about education, mental health treatment, dissociated youth, corporate profits over moral direction....We are mixed on gun control so we don't include that discussion here or in our meetings at all anymore. Some of our group are conceal and carry permit holders, others are friends and pacifists.

All the above topics are worthy of discussion, but none are the issue that we wish to focus on. Simply, the issue is that FPSS's is an addictive product that changes behavior in a destructive manner and not a product we want produced here. We don't want heroin produced here either. Or pornography. If Epic produced pornography, do you think that it would be able to grow to it's size here. NO, the community would not accept it. The owners and employees would have to hide as they do in the pornography business in LA.

But currently we are accepting the production of a highly addictive product that causes damage to many of it's users, and it is a product with virtually no upside other than to make money for the companies. If Raven and Humanhead produced products that benefited the community we would welcome it. But they don't.

A community is in part defined by the goods and services it produces. A community that makes its money from technology is different than one that makes motorcycles or from farming or is in manufacturing or one that has a university or one that contains a prison....All the above are at least morally honorable.

By becoming a hub for First Person Shooter Simulations, how does that define Madison and Wisconsin?

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby talagaster » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:30 am

HumanHead is putting out some seriously violent games these days and they are directed at kids:
http://www.humanhead.com/games-fortcourage.html

"Fort Courage! An exciting free-to-play 3D adventure of the imagination! Bored at school and falling asleep in class you dream up hiding out in a fort deep within a dinosaur jungle, sneaking into a forbidden monster lab, and hacking into a robot factory on the surface of mars! Armed only with your wits and imagination you must defend against waves of relentless enemies. Protect yourself with an arsenal of awesome toy weapons and cool power-ups."

Encouraging kids to be ignore school lessons! Breaking and entering into nature preserves and science facilities! Hacking!

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Postby wack wack » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:41 am

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:We are a small group, that includes parents, grandparents, and whose professions include, teacher, physician, health care administrator, small business owner...But I have been designated as the main writer, because I do the most writing for work.


Interesting: all occupations/positions which involve telling others what to do. I guess this explains why the push-back received here seems so shockingly unexpected to you.

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Postby pjbogart » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:13 am

How much are Raven and Human Head paying you to start this anti-Raven/Humanhead campaign?

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:17 am

nofpssinwisconsin wrote:a sixteen year old, who has dropped out of school, who is carrying a gun, who may have some mental or emotional disorders


Bigotry goes beyond race, and using mental health issues as a scare tactic rather then addressing the mental health issues that are the real problem is what I find most abhorent about your position.

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Postby snoqueen » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:41 am

And what I find most creepy in this discourse is the "we" thing.

If you are spokesperson for an organized group, it's customary to identify yourself and add "communications director for FPSS" or whatever you are.

The "we" thing sounds like you're trying to do a pufferfish thing and sound bigger and scarier than you are, without taking any risk in doing so.

I can chalk this up to inexperience, but it doesn't play well.

In addition, if you're using the forum as a training-wheels course for taking your complaint more public, you need to collect a bunch of research to back your beliefs. Reason: your opponents will have the research they need to show you're full of it, and you'll be expected to reply in kind.

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Re: No More First Person Shooter Simulation Production In WI

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:22 pm

I'd worry more about people like this guy.
When police asked Schutz if he felt guilt for what he did to the rabbit, Schutz replied, “No, I actually enjoyed it for some reason,” and said that every time the rabbit complained or grunted, he wanted to torture it more, according to the complaint.


On a related note, Jeffery Dahmer started out torturing and killing animals before he moved on to people. Don't remember any reports that he played violent video games.

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Postby Stebben84 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:35 pm

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The original first person shooter game. This turned me into a monster.


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