Cultural Insensitivity

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby fennel » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:10 am

We just found out last night, too. So now we're going to put a few whole eggs in the chili, to be peeled and served as garnish.

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:19 pm

When I grew up (I'm in my mid-sixties) everything shut down between noon and three on Good Friday and because of blue laws, most businesses were closed on every Sunday. While the community I lived in had a large Jewish population (it's nickname was Gefilte Fish Bay), only Christian holidays were thus observed.

Do we really want to go back to those days?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby Meade » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:35 pm

Oh good point, Hen V. Because none of us wants to go back to those days of onerous blue laws, we must never show sensitivity to Jewish cultural practices. Instead, we should purposely schedule public events on Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, and Chanukkah in order to maintain the wall of separation between church and state and to show those religious nuts who's boss.

By the way, Hen, have you noticed how late the UW and area schools scheduled spring break this year? Do you wonder why?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby bdog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:54 pm

I agree with Henry.

On the other side Meade agrees with Stu.

Hath Hell frozen over?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:01 pm

So Henry and Bdog -- you believe that a Jew should be forced to choose between their religion and participating in the political process. Good to know. You also think the City should reverse its policy and make me choose between my religion and participating in government, too?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby bdog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 5:10 pm

So Stu and Meade you believe that someone with unpopular religious beliefs should be forced to choose between their religion and participating in the political process. Good to know.

As long as it's someone else's religion it's all good huh?

Like I said, I'll be watching the April meetings. Landmarks in particular.

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:12 pm

Well, this being America and all, I don't believe Israeli Independence Day qualifies as a religious holiday. (I know, it sounds so much more sacred when you use the Hebrew, right?) So I expect LC will meet on April 15.

But thanks for playing.

Idiot.

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby bdog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:26 pm

Ah...it's only the "American" religions that are important. Who knew, Archie Bunker was in our midst the whole time.

You're an arrogant, culturally insensitive asshole.

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:33 pm

Again, Israeli Independence Day is not a religious holiday. Is that really so hard to understand?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby bdog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:38 pm

Is it really so hard to understand that it's fucking ridiculous for you to have to look it up in the first place????

How many days are going to be left to meet if you have to satisfy the requirements of all religions? It's just plain stupid.

Best to just leave religion out of it, alltogether.

"Best to just leave religion out of it"

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:44 pm

So, for the record -- do you believe the city should reverse its current policy and allow government meetings to take place on important religious holidays?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby bdog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:50 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:So, for the record -- do you believe the city should reverse its current policy and allow government meetings to take place on important religious holidays?

Who gets to decide that? They're all important to people observing them are they not?

Is it ok to be culturally insensitive as long as it only affects a small number of people?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby DCB » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:53 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:So Henry and Bdog -- you believe that a Jew should be forced to choose between their religion and participating in the political process. Good to know. You also think the City should reverse its policy and make me choose between my religion and participating in government, too?

IMAAO(*), everybody should be "forced to choose". Government,local and otherwise, should not take into account any religious holidays. If you can't make it - because you're praying, or your kid is in the Easter parade, or you're getting drunk at the office party - that's your business.

Is Good Friday a really special "holy" day for Christians, that should be untainted by civic action? or just an excuse to take a long weekend? I think that depends on the Christian. But its not really a decision the city should be making.

As a side effect, the atheist/Hindu axis will really shake things up every December 25th.

[* In my admittedly awesome opinion]

( I see that bdog sums it up: "best to leave religion out of it" )

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby Huckleby » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:27 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:So, for the record -- do you believe the city should reverse its current policy and allow government meetings to take place on important religious holidays?

This point has been made repeatedly, but maybe we should get specific, and suspend sarcastic wise cracks.

What are the important religious holidays? Google tells me these are the major Islamic holidays for 2013:
Jan 24, 2013 Thursday Milad Un Nabi
Jan 29, 2013 Tuesday Milad Un Nabi (shia)
Jun 05, 2013 Wednesday Lailat Al Miraj
Jun 23, 2013 Sunday Lailat Al Bara'ah
Jul 09, 2013 Tuesday Ramadan (start)
Aug 03, 2013 Saturday Laylat Al Kadr
Aug 08, 2013 Thursday Eid-al-fitr (end Of Ramadan)
Oct 14, 2013 Monday Waqf Al Arafa - Hajj
Oct 15, 2013 Tuesday Eid-al-adha
Nov 04, 2013 Monday Hijra - Islamic New Year
Nov 13, 2013 Wednesday Day Of Ashura

Is it realistic to not have civic activities on these days in Madison?

I suppose it depends where you live. In the Northeast U.S., it probably seems natural and reasonable to work around the major Jewish holidays. Where do you draw the line in Wisconsin?

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Re: Cultural Insensitivity

Postby bdog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:51 pm

Pastafarians celebrate every Friday as a holy day.


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