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Re: limits viewing

Postby Remember_Me » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:01 am

What's next... paying for music too?!

The hell you say!

Seriously folks... just how long do you think this everything-should-be-free-cuz-of-the-interwebs thing should last?? We really do need to start ponying up some dough. Not $15 for a CD with 10 songs dough... but something better than this current model (AKA, free). How are rock bands supposed to flourish and create when solo artists can't even come up with the scratch to produce and release an album these days?

The same goes with our journalism.

If it can't be done through ads alone then something different needs to happen. Blogs have their place... in the blogosphere.

I want hard-hitting journalism from professionals who put their necks and reputations on the line everyday. Not some pasty asshole who hobbled together some "piece" in his grandma's basement.

No one wanted to speak up during the Great Recession about making hardworking Joe Blow pay his share. Especially after the whole Lars Ulrich Vs. Napster shitstorm. Aren't you wondering why no musicians are sounding off onstage or bitching in Rolling Stone about not making any scratch from record sales?

The free ride's over and should be.

Cough it up.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby other i » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:32 am

I make a point to pay for almost all of my music. I am NOT going to pay for Chris Rickert's blather and to read the copy of some editor who can't add and subtract.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby Kenneth Burns » Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:21 am

Wonder what life would be like if, at the dawn of the Web age, almost all newspapers hadn't decided to give away all their content for free.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby talagaster » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:26 am

Change Fahrenheit 451 to be about newspapers instead of books and that's basically where we are today.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:52 am

jjoyce wrote:The movement in our industry is towards paywalls...

Is next? Hopefully not, since the paper and ink version of Isthmus is (still) free.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby Cornbread » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:15 pm

the "advocacy journalism" taught by the schools of creative writing, I mean, journalism haven't exactly helped the cause of the babblers/creative writers. They were clueless and no one outside of they themselves believed their BS. Sort of like pravda in the old days....

There have been "investigative journalists" out there, doing good work, but if that clashes with the worldview of the leftist dominated mainstream media's agenda, it gets no coverage. The agenda driven creative writers in the mainstream media have been too busy schmoozing and/or stuck in their own worldview to notice that they have been losing credibility faster than congress, and that's quite fast.

It's niche/electronic now and was little more than a handful of like minded leftists running their electronic side, so it was painfully apparent (to everyone but them) that those 6 people couldn't maintain any internet traffic to support anything.

I guess that they drove off everyone but they themselves and no matter how "educated" they kept telling each other they were and how stupid everyone else was, there was no one left to hear their babblings.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby Elrond » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:20 pm

The NYT paywall is easily scaled by deleting everything after '.html' from the URL.

And, for me anyway, is easily replaceable with the police incident reports page. That's where all the entertainment is anyway.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby Detritus » Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:24 pm

Elrond wrote:The NYT paywall is easily scaled by deleting everything after '.html' from the URL.

And, for me anyway, is easily replaceable with the police incident reports page. That's where all the entertainment is anyway.

Or go into the preferences/settings for your browser and delete all cookies that come up when you search on "nyt" (or "madi") and Bob's your uncle. Or "lati" if you cruise the LA Times.

Washington Post hasn't started playing those games yet.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby Bwis53 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:03 pm ... f887a.html

So has dropped the anticipated bomb...

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Re: limits viewing

Postby gargantua » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:27 pm

I don't look at it enough to have to worry about paying. Skim the headlines and play Jerry's Hot Picks once a week does it for me.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby peripat » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:28 pm

And charging current paper subscribers for web access is really a bit much....

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Re: limits viewing

Postby FJD » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:27 pm

Bwis53 wrote:

So has dropped the anticipated bomb...

Was going to read this, but apparently I've read 5 articles in the last 30 days...

Not even worth the effort to clear my cookies

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Re: limits viewing

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:31 pm

I like to support news sources I value, but my way of supportiing them apparently doesn't count. I buy papers. I know this is antiquated but I actually like reading that way. I read on line, too, as anybody who clicks my links knows.

It's hard for the news sites to keep track of me, because I have at least five different computers I use regularly (the upstairs one, the downstairs one, and the carry-around one, plus the phone. I also use public library terminals.). All my personal computers have operating systems that load fresh every time I turn them on, so no cookies are saved and tracking is minimized (you can't avoid it but you can minimize it). It's the tracking that offends me, not the principle of paying for what I use. I also do not like allowing my computer's memory or sites with questionable security to have the keys to my bank account., and I'm willing to bear the inconveniences.

Anyway, it's hard for the paywalls to know who I am. That's just too bad, and it's not the reason I set things up the way I did. If I buy the paper copies now and then I definitely give them more money than I would subscribing so I see this as fair.

It's fair on MY terms -- it's like donating to NPR or WORT -- though possibly not on theirs. Their rules versus my personal morality, I'll take my morality.

I think all this stuff is so easily circumvented (even by accident) we'll eventually see an honor system the way we have with public radio or even internet music, which you can find for free but plenty of people want to pay the musicians and take care to do so.

If that makes me a crypto-libertarian, too bad.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby Mean Scenester » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:50 pm

Yesterday's State Journal content is available from EBSCO through this website:

You can thank that great socialist institution called the Wisconsin Public Library System for that.

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Re: limits viewing

Postby wack wack » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:09 pm

Will there be ads past the pay wall?

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