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We are losing the information war.

Postby Cadfael » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:26 am

And by "we" I mean "people with the equivalent of a tenth grade education" There's an organized effort out there to brainwash the American people and they're doing a damn good job.

Some of us here say the education system is partly to blame. I disagree. It's almost totally the reason these people are winning. I was taught to think, reason, research, and check both sides. That's not the way any more. Now, they're looking for confirmation of existing beliefs and if they have confirmation from more than one source they think they've done research.

Kate Starbird of the University of Washington started out studying social networks as a disaster response system but ended up mapping a political movement that recruits from both right and left.

Alex Jones, she says, is “a kind of prophet. There really is an information war for your mind. And we’re losing it.”

Starbird argues in a new paper, set to be presented at a computational social-science conference in May, that these “strange clusters” of wild conspiracy talk, when mapped, point to an emerging alternative media ecosystem on the web of surprising power and reach.

It features sites such as Infowars.com, hosted by informal President Donald Trump adviser Alex Jones, which has pushed a range of conspiracies, including that the Sandy Hook school shooting was a staged fake.

There are dozens of other conspiracy-propagating websites such as beforeitsnews.com, nodisinfo.com and veteranstoday.com. Starbird cataloged 81 of them, linked through a huge community of interest connected by shared followers on Twitter, with many of the tweets replicated by automated bots.

Infowars.com alone is roughly equivalent in visitors and page views to the Chicago Tribune, according to Alexa.com, the web-traffic analysis firm.

“More people are dipping into this stuff than I ever imagined,” Starbird says.

The true common denominator, she found, is anti-globalism — deep suspicion of free trade, multinational business and global institutions.

“To be antiglobalist often included being anti-mainstream media, anti-immigration, anti-science, anti-U.S. government, and anti-European Union,” Starbird says.

So it was like the mind of Stephen Bannon, chief adviser to Trump, spilled across the back channels of the web.

Much of it was strangely pro-Russian, too — perhaps due to Russian twitter bots that bombarded social channels during the presidential campaign (a phenomenon that’s now part of the FBI investigation into the election, McClatchy reported last week).

The mainstream press periodically waded into this swamp, but it only backfired. Its occasional fact checks got circulated as further evidence: If the media is trying to debunk it, then the conspiracy must be true.

“Your brain tells you ‘Hey, I got this from three different sources,’ ” she says. “But you don’t realize it all traces back to the same place, and might have even reached you via bots posing as real people. If we think of this as a virus, I wouldn’t know how to vaccinate for it.”

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:44 am

There's an organized effort out there to brainwash the American people and they're doing a damn good job.

Translation. People are begining to see through the left's Fake News, Political Lying, and bankrupt Trump Derangement.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby jman111 » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:11 pm

Right on cue, Exhibit A.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:21 pm

jman111 wrote:Right on cue, Exhibit A.

:mrgreen:

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Cadfael » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:58 pm

Compromise with THAT, all you peacemakers out there. Go ahead. Find some common ground with the mind behind that.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Shorty » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:06 pm

Roy wrote:Translation. People are begining to see through the left's Fake News, Political Lying, and bankrupt Trump Derangement.

Give some examples of fake news from the left.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:28 pm

ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NY Times, etc take your pick.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Shorty » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:38 pm

So you don't have any specific links to stories?

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:07 pm

Roy just has vague right wing talking points. He has no examples of lefty fake news from any of them.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby DCB » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:11 pm

Did the failing NY Times have to settle multi-million dollar sexual harassment lawsuits?
Did the failing CNN have to fire their chief executive for sexual harassment?

No, because they're Fake News!

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:15 pm

Ya all are just saying that you are losers with TD Syndrome.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Cadfael » Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:17 am

Okay, here's a little five step fake news process that shouldn't be too hard to follow. Or debunk, if you don't think it's true.
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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Roy » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:22 pm

Most Syrians do not want to move to another country. They would be much happier if safe zones (refugee camps whatever) were set up in Syria. But that would never be acceptable to the left. They want to import them as future Democrat/Socialist voters.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby gargantua » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:31 pm

Roy wrote:Most Syrians do not want to move to another country. They would be much happier if safe zones (refugee camps whatever) were set up in Syria. But that would never be acceptable to the left. They want to import them as future Democrat/Socialist voters.

Do you really believe this? It's such a ridiculous assertion, even for you. I'd ask for proof but I know not to bother.

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Re: We are losing the information war.

Postby Roy » Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:37 pm

gargantua wrote:
Roy wrote:Most Syrians do not want to move to another country. They would be much happier if safe zones (refugee camps whatever) were set up in Syria. But that would never be acceptable to the left. They want to import them as future Democrat/Socialist voters.

Do you really believe this? It's such a ridiculous assertion, even for you. I'd ask for proof but I know not to bother.

Mr deranged-garg I don't give a rats ass what you think. You are here only to denegrate and hate those who do not agree with you. Happy trolling to you.


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