Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby jman111 » Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:33 pm

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby snoqueen » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:51 pm

...there is absolutely zero evidence that Rice leaked any information. None. For those of us in the reality based community, wild speculation does not count as evidence.


Here's my question: if Susan Rice leaked some names, what were those names?

She's complete failure as a leaker if she couldn't find anybody to print the names she leaked. Whatever you've got, you can find somebody that will print it.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby DCB » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:30 pm

snoqueen wrote:
...there is absolutely zero evidence that Rice leaked any information. None. For those of us in the reality based community, wild speculation does not count as evidence.


Here's my question: if Susan Rice leaked some names, what were those names?

My understanding is that Mike Flynn is one of the "leaked" names, which is how he got shit-canned after just one week. I might have that story wrong, thought.

But in any case, there is no evidence linking that to Rice.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Ned Flounders » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:56 am

This thread title continues to be prescient. No, Obama did not "tap Trump's phone". And yes, the FBI began substantial investigations into ties between Trump's minions and the Kremlin long before the election.

FBI Obtained FISA Warrant to Monitor Former Trump Adviser Carter Page

So we know that the FBI had formal large-scale investigations into both presidential campaigns last summer. One was for alleged sloppy handling of emails. The other was for close ties to intelligence agents of a hostile foreign power.

FBI Director Comey felt that it was essential to publicize the emails investigation as widely as possible. At the same time, he decided to keep the Trump-Russia investigation secret "to avoid influencing the election."

That man, James Comey, personally bears an extraordinarily large share of the blame for whatever damage Trump does to America and the world during however many months he remains in office.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:31 am

Just waiting with popcorn in the popper. Will start it popping when the bottom falls out. :mrgreen:

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Cadfael » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:44 am

Just couldn't bring yourself to stop the snarking. And in an hour or two you'll accuse somebody of doing exactly what you're doing here.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:49 am

Cadfael wrote:Just couldn't bring yourself to stop the snarking. And in an hour or two you'll accuse somebody of doing exactly what you're doing here.

That wasn't a snark, but you have me holding one back with great difficulty.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Cadfael » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:55 am

I'm popping some corn here. Just a watchin. And waitin.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:12 am

It's not a snark if Roy posts it. QED

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Ned Flounders » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:34 pm

This morning it was Carter Page in the news, this evening it's Trump's campaign chairman Paul Manafort:

AP Exclusive: Manafort Firm Received Ukraine Ledger Payout

Last summer a ledger was discovered in Ukraine listing payments from the Kremlin's puppet party in Ukraine to various persons. One of the names listed was Trump's campaign chief. At the time, Manafort strenuously denied receiving any such payments.

Today the AP reported that they verified at least $1.2 million of the payments listed in the secret ledger were actually accepted by Manafort. Faced with the evidence, Manafort now admits receiving the money, but he claims it was for unspecified "consulting" services.

But wait, there's more!

Former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort is now registering as a foreign agent

Surprise! Just like Mike Flynn, Trump's first National Security Adviser who resigned in disgrace after, what, a couple of weeks? Weird how Trump is constantly surrounded by people who turn out to be on the payrolls of hostile foreign governments:

Paul Manafort
Mike Flynn
Carter Page

But I'm sure there's a totally innocent reason why Trump (unlike every previous president) refuses to make his taxes public, and why the Kremlin was so eager to help him out in November.

Right?

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:41 pm

The Guardian reports on the role British, German, Australian, and other foreign intelligence services played in alerting the FBI to Trump/Russia connections. Tons of new details:

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors....

The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US...

“It looks like the [US] agencies were asleep,” the source added. “They [the European agencies] were saying: ‘There are contacts going on between people close to Mr Trump and people we believe are Russian intelligence agents. You should be wary of this.’

“The message was: ‘Watch out. There’s something not right here.’” ....

According to one account, GCHQ’s then head, Robert Hannigan, passed material in summer 2016 to the CIA chief, John Brennan. The matter was deemed so sensitive it was handled at “director level”. After an initially slow start, Brennan used GCHQ information and intelligence from other partners to launch a major inter-agency investigation.

In late August and September Brennan gave a series of classified briefings to the Gang of Eight, the top-ranking Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and Senate. He told them the agency had evidence the Kremlin might be trying to help Trump to win the presidency, the New York Times reported.

Lots more details in the report:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russia

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Roy » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:11 pm

Y'all need to stop, put your bias away, and read.

From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/ ... index.html

British and other European intelligence agencies intercepted communications between associates of Donald Trump and Russian officials and other Russian individuals during the campaign and passed on those communications to their US counterparts US congressional and law enforcement and US and European intelligence sources tell CNN.


But also includes the Five Eyes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wh ... ar-BByi7KE

And the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... nks-russia


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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby gargantua » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:51 pm

I bet waiting for the results of the FBI investigation may shed some light on the situation.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby Ned Flounders » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:52 pm

Read the post above yours, Roy. Last week's news, which I posted here last week.

Yes, it sounds like multiple different intelligence services eavesdropping on Russian government/operatives discovered that people close to Donald Trump were communicating with the Russians. And they let the FBI know about it, because the US services didn't seem to be aware that this was happening. And the Brits etc. found these Trump/Russia links to be alarming.

Again, Obama was not "tapping Trump's phone" and Trump's accusations, which you parrotted here, were totally false and irresponsible. But yes, the FBI is investigating the Trump/Russia connection, because so many of Trump's people were meeting with or talking with Russian agents.

It's a surreal situation to be in. No other president in US history has had so many close associates talking secretly with agents of a hostile foreign power.

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Re: Yes FBI investigating Russia, no Obama not tapping Trump's phone

Postby gargantua » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:57 pm

Mr. Flounders, Roy called you a hack. Such an insult requires satisfaction by a duel from 8 paces. Do you accept, sir?


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