The GOP's health care dilemma

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:40 pm

I am amused that Roy himself still doesn't realize that ACA is Obamacare.

Maybe that explains why he keeps insisting that Medicaid expansion isn't part of Obamacare.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:09 pm

Lots of fun stuff about Trumpcare II on Twitter right now.

Jake Sherman of Politico wrote:I am sensing HEAVY SKEPTICISM from senior House Republicans about a vote next week. And I'm putting that mildly.

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Sort of like saying Carl Vinson is coming to protect you while going other way.


Like that old car Dad worked on for ten years that never started.


I called a R house member's office in opposition this morning and his staff hasn't even been briefed about the existence of the deal.


no Obamacare repeal and a government shutdown to celebrate Day 100? that would be... most fitting.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:16 pm

Obviously some editors are having fun with their headlines today:


"I'm not dead yet!"


Trumpcare II will save money by only providing health care for people who don't need it.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:27 pm

Is this the face of a man who's eager to tell his followers to throw themselves on their swords, in order to give Donald Trump a happy feeling on his 100th Day?

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby PaleoLiberal » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:16 pm

It's not dead.

It's pining.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:18 pm

For the fjords.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby gargantua » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:37 pm

It sure is taking Trump an inordinate amount of time to figure out that people in Congress don't give a shit about helping him look good.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby jman111 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:57 pm

Sounds like a(nother) job for Kushner.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:57 pm

GOP House leadership wrote:"There is no legislative text and therefore no agreement to do a whip count on."


Donald Trump wrote:"We’re doing very well on health care.... This is a great bill, there's a great plan and this will be great health care. It’s evolving."


Hmmmm.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:51 pm

Welp, that was quick.

A senior administration source tells [Axios] the vote next week is unlikely and he's unclear who told the press it could happen on Wednesday.

One senior House source texted Axios: "You know there will not be a vote next Wednesday, right?"

https://www.axios.com/house-leadership- ... 80830.html

So much for today's "we've gotta do this before Trump's 100th Day!" brouhaha. Sad for Trump, though. :cry:

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Roy » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:18 pm

Ned Flounders wrote:So much for today's "we've gotta do this before Trump's 100th Day!" brouhaha. Sad for Trump, though. :cry:

You should try to get real. Obamacare took.... what 17 months? Pffft!

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby snoqueen » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:20 pm

Trumpcare II will save money by only providing health care for people who don't need it.


That pretty much sums up all the Republican plans so far.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:28 pm

Roy wrote:
Ned Flounders wrote:So much for today's "we've gotta do this before Trump's 100th Day!" brouhaha. Sad for Trump, though. :cry:

You should try to get real. Obamacare took.... what 17 months? Pffft!

"I" should try to get real? I'm not the White House source who was assuring the media today that they would vote on this nonexistent bill next week.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension. I've been mocking the WH for trying to rush through a bill without putting in the effort to get it right.

In other words, the exact opposite of what you think.

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby Ned Flounders » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:36 pm

For Roy's benefit, here's an excerpt from earlier in this thread:

Ned Flounders wrote:Here's the actual history of the ACA:

    (1) Congress held more than a dozen public hearings from March to May, 2009, while writing the first draft of ACA.

    (2) A discussion draft of the bill was released on June 19, 2009, followed by more public hearings including a three-day long hearing in the House Commerce committee.

    (3) Based on those hearings a revised draft of the bill was issued on July 14, 2009. Public hearings continued in three separate House committees.

    (4) For the next three months, the ACA's sponsors in the House put the bill on hold while negotiating with the Senate, with conservative Democrats, and with moderate Republicans.

    (5) On October 29, 2009, the bill was re-introduced with yet more revisions stemming from the attempts to compromise with conservatives. It then passed the House on November 7, 2009.
By my count, that is eight months of public hearings on the bill, and over four months during which the text of the bill was available for anyone to read and comment on. Throughout that time the ACA's sponsors worked tirelessly to compromise with moderate Republicans, and made many, many concessions along the way (e.g., dropping the "public option" entirely). Many of the hearings were aired on C-SPAN.

I'm not going to bother going into similar detail on the timeline for the Senate's consideration of ACA, but it was at least as thorough, public, and detailed as the House's process.

The contrast with the GOP's handling of AHCA is stunning. The Republicans literally kept their bill under lock and key until it was released, held as few hearings as possible, passed it out of committee in the middle of the night, made no effort to compromise with the opposition party, and are rushing it to a vote with inadequate preparation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... e-process/

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Re: The GOP's health care dilemma

Postby gargantua » Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:41 pm

snoqueen wrote:
Trumpcare II will save money by only providing health care for people who don't need it.


That pretty much sums up all the Republican plans so far.

It's true, and their problem is that it's the only model that's consistent with their "anything is better than the government" ideology. Let's be honest here. They'd repeal Medicare and Medicaid if they thought they could get away with it and not be voted out of office.


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