Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

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Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby fflambeau » Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:57 pm

A report from the highly regarded source of Reuters indicates that the US government only has $20 million in funds to build the Trump wall between the USA and Mexico (cost estimates: around $50-$100 billion).

According to Reuters: "The rapid start of construction, promised throughout Trump’s campaign and in an executive order issued in January on border security, was to be financed, according to the White House, with “existing funds and resources” of the Department of Homeland Security.

But so far, the DHS has identified only $20 million that can be re-directed to the multi-billion-dollar project, according to a document prepared by the agency and distributed to congressional budget staff last week."

Maybe more money could be gathered through raised taxes and so on. But is the "base" going to be happy with that? Plus, it's apparent to even the base that their roads under the leadership of the likes of Walker and other GOP mis-managers, are full of potholes. Now we know why Trump wanted the Mexicans to pay for it: we don't have the money.

Looks like another major pothole ahead for the wall.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-i ... SKBN1685SY

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Bwis53 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:09 pm

Ya, but he said,"I am going to build a great,great wall," to the automatic applause of most of the Republicans. It was fun watching Ryan and Pence bob up and down. I kept waiting for them to wince or get tired.

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby IU2Bmanoletters » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:24 pm

Yesterday I heard some caller to Wisconsin Public Radio's "Central Time" program make the absurd claim that the current US Pentagon budget is "a pittance." Well it isn't, but the caller was PITIFUL in his insistence on spreading "alternative facts." The "Defense" Department budget alone is right up around $600 BILLION annually, and that doesn't even include the budgets for additional militaristic agencies, which would put the yearly total well over a trillion bucks a year.
It's long past time for us to starve the Pentagon in order to feed the homeless.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-2 ... rtment-epa

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby fennel » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:27 pm

fflambeau wrote:Maybe more money could be gathered through raised taxes and so on. But is the "base" going to be happy with that?
Dunno, but I have a stunning hunch that if the tax increase were focused on the top 5%, they would never even notice a difference if they didn't have phalanxes of accountants to inform them that there was an infinitesimal difference in their tax rate.

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Bwis53 » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:52 pm

IU2Bmanoletters wrote:Yesterday I heard some caller to Wisconsin Public Radio's "Central Time" program make the absurd claim that the current US Pentagon budget is "a pittance." Well it isn't, but the caller was PITIFUL in his insistence on spreading "alternative facts." The "Defense" Department budget alone is right up around $600 BILLION annually, and that doesn't even include the budgets for additional militaristic agencies, which would put the yearly total well over a trillion bucks a year.
It's long past time for us to starve the Pentagon in order to feed the homeless.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-2 ... rtment-epa


If we just funkin' fed everybody, we'd probably come out way ahead!

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Beaver » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:37 pm

fflambeau wrote:A report from the highly regarded source of Reuters indicates that the US government only has $20 million in funds to build the Trump wall between the USA and Mexico (cost estimates: around $50-$100 billion).


Channel3000 says cost would "only" be $21.6 billion. One WI company is bidding.

Report: Dodge County contractor vying to build border wall with Mexico
Michels Corp. and more than 250 firms to bid
http://www.channel3000.com/news/dodge-c ... /369400638

"The Fond Du Lac Reporter Newspaper reports Michels Corporation of Brownsville is the only Wisconsin company that has responded to the government's presolicitation for bids to build President Donald Trump's proposed wall. ..The company's chief legal counsel, David Stegeman, declined the comment on the company's interest. The wall would span the 2,000-mile border with Mexico. And, it's estimated to cost $21.6 billion."

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby fflambeau » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:20 pm

Interesting report, Beaver.

For all you wall builders out there, here's information about the bidding process (maybe a flood of applications would help them?). So far, it's been very secretive.

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Solicitation Number: 2017-JC-RT-0001
Agency: Department of Homeland Security
Office: Customs and Border Protection
Location: Procurement Directorate - IN

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Solicitation Number:
2017-JC-RT-0001
Notice Type:
Presolicitation
Synopsis:
Added: Feb 24, 2017 11:34 am

The Dept. of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) intends on issuing a solicitation in electronic format on or about March 6, 2017 for the design and build of several prototype wall structures in the vicinity of the United States border with Mexico. The procurement will be conducted in two phases, the first requiring vendors to submit a concept paper of their prototype(s) by March 10, 2017, which will result in the evaluation and down select of offerors by March 20, 2017. The second phase will require the down select of phase 1 offerors to submit proposals in response to the full RFP by March 24, 2017, which will include price. Multiple awards are contemplated by mid-April for this effort. An option for additional miles may be included in each contract award.
Contracting Office Address:
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Indianapolis, Indiana 46278
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Primary Point of Contact.:
John P Callahan,
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john.callahan@dhs.gov
Phone: 317-614-4934
Fax: 317-298-1344
Secondary Point of Contact:
Richard A Travis,
Contract Specialist
Richard.Travis@dhs.gov
Phone: 317-614-4580
Fax: 317-298-1344

Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity ... e&_cview=0

Notice that price seems to be a minor consideration! (Only needed in final presentation

A quick Google search for John P. Callahan and Indiana revealed he has worked as a government contractor since 2004. It would be fascinating to know if there are any links between him and former Indiana Governor and now VP Mike Pence. Interesting too is an obituary for Callahan for 2010! (it could be another person, but in the same city).

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Beaver » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:09 am

White House calls for domestic cuts to finance border wall
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... al_fb_abcn

"President Donald Trump is proposing immediate budget cuts of $18 billion from programs like medical research, infrastructure and community grants so U.S. taxpayers, not Mexico, can cover the down payment on the border wall. The White House documents were submitted to Congress amid negotiations over a catchall spending bill that would avert a partial government shutdown at the end of next month. The package would wrap up $1.1 trillion in unfinished spending bills and address the Trump administration's request for an immediate $30 billion in additional Pentagon spending.

The latest Trump proposal, disclosed Tuesday, would eliminate $1.2 billion in National Institutes of Health research grants, a favorite of both parties. The community development block grant program, also popular, would be halved, amounting to a cut of $1.5 billion, and Trump would strip $500 million from a popular grant program for transportation projects. Some of that money would help pay for parts of the wall. Like Trump's 2018 proposed budget, which was panned by both Democrats and Republicans earlier this month, the proposals have little chance of being enacted."

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby PaleoLiberal » Fri Mar 31, 2017 11:58 am

We need beavers to build the wall. Lots of beavers. HUGE beavers. The greatest beavers in the world!

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby O.J. » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:19 pm

The wall is far too long for beavers, but you could probably get them to build small sections, strewn all across the border.

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Ned Flounders » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:26 pm

PaleoLiberal wrote:We need beavers to build the wall. Lots of beavers. HUGE beavers. The greatest beavers in the world!

That would mean hiring Canadian beavers, PL:

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=49018&p=611237#p611224

...an animal-made structure so large it is visible from space.

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Beaver » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:29 pm

You have a good memory. I forgot about that one. Alas, beavers build dams, not walls. We can't help with this.

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby PaleoLiberal » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:32 pm

Beaver wrote:You have a good memory. I forgot about that one. Alas, beavers build dams, not walls. We can't help with this.


Not even with the Rio Grande?

C'mon, lets make rodents great again!

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Ned Flounders » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:54 pm

Beaver wrote:You have a good memory. I forgot about that one. Alas, beavers build dams, not walls. We can't help with this.

Flounders, like elephants, never forget.

And though I quoted the line from that thread about so large it is visible from space, Wagstaff was quite right to call bullshit on that sentence back in the original thread.

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Re: Trump hits pothole over Wall: No Money

Postby Beaver » Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:18 am

Many big construction firms not bidding on Trump’s proposed wall
http://cw39.com/2017/04/05/many-big-con ... osed-wall/

"President Donald Trump's proposed border wall has drawn the interest of hundreds of companies, but the larger, more experienced firms might not be on board...One senior official from a construction firm told CNN via email that "there are many hurdles associated with the wall, ranging from political ones to financing to the very real human aspect. There are also concerns about how working on the wall would affect a construction company's ability to work in other countries, given that the Trump plan has received a great deal of international criticism."

...only three of the top 20 ranked contractors were listed as interested vendors on those RFPs. More than 200 companies have expressed interest in each RFP. Some firms are worried about potentially losing future business with the nation's largest cities and states, according to Raymond, whose organization represents more than 5,000 engineering firms throughout the country.

State lawmakers in both California and New York have introduced bills that would effectively blacklist any company involved in building the border wall from future state business. Neither of the bills has passed into law, but the possibility alone has turned off many potential bidders."

...One industry insider who works for a larger firm that is not competing for the wall told CNN that he was concerned that the firms currently listed as interested vendors may not be capable of completing the project. These small-to-medium sized firms could have issues with bonding and hiring workers to build the wall, the source said. This insider also worries about these small firms' ability to scale up and manage a project of this size."


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