Speaking Truth to Power

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Speaking Truth to Power

Postby you must be joking » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:12 am

As most of you already know or have seen there have been two undercover videos done by the Center for Medical Progress in meetings with Planned Parenthood executives.
Both videos cut and uncut versions can be found at http://www.centerformedicalprogress.org/cmp/investigative-footage/ The transcripts of the meetings can be found at the same site. In addition, this site has a "document drop" that shows the documents they have obtained as a part of their investigation.

Today I have been reading that the person behind the videos, David Daleiden, has indicated that there are 12 more of these videos coming out all to be shown by the end of September.

What do you think of this?

In the past we have seen many an undercover video done to catch someone doing or saying something that they wouldn't have said in public otherwise. Remember the Mitt Romney 47% quote that was captured on video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gvY2wqI7M Or how about our own Governor Walker caught on tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBnSv3a6Nh4

Are these videos on Planned Parenthood speaking truth to power? Or is it just in the eye of the beholder? Just wondering.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby Bland » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:29 am

you must be joking wrote:Are these videos on Planned Parenthood speaking truth to power?
Are you seriously asking if a group which uses the phrase "baby body parts" to describe tissue cells from aborted fetuses is speaking truth?

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby HawkHead » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:23 am

If you need to edit your video as was done you aren't speaking truth to power. The words and actions should be strong enough to stand on their own.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby rabble » Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:59 am

You want truth to power? I'll shout out some fucking truth to the fucking power!
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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby you must be joking » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:47 am

Bland wrote:
you must be joking wrote:Are these videos on Planned Parenthood speaking truth to power?
Are you seriously asking if a group which uses the phrase "baby body parts" to describe tissue cells from aborted fetuses is speaking truth?


So Bland, what would you call the heart, lungs, liver, spleen, brains when those parts came from a human abortion? An unviable mass of tissue? Products of conception?

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby you must be joking » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:06 am

rabble wrote:You want truth to power? I'll shout out some fucking truth to the fucking power!
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rabble,

How many of those people where killed by the police in America were killed as they were trying to kill the police?

According to Guttmacher there were just over 1 million abortions in the U.S. in 2011 https://www.guttmacher.org/media/presskits/abortion-US/statsandfacts.html 1 million divided by 365 days is 2,739 abortions per day.

I'd say that given the statistical chance, I would much rather have an interaction with the police than be an unborn child.

And again, according to Guttmacher, black women have 30% of the abortions in the U.S. so out of the 2,739 abortions each day black women account for 822 of them.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby you must be joking » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:09 am

HawkHead wrote:If you need to edit your video as was done you aren't speaking truth to power. The words and actions should be strong enough to stand on their own.


HawkHead,

Like I said, there are the full unedited versions of the tapes on their web site as well as the complete transcripts of each video.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby you must be joking » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:14 am

Just an FYI,

The third video is out as of yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw2xi9mhmuo

See for your self what the truth is.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby HawkHead » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:05 am

you must be joking wrote:
HawkHead wrote:If you need to edit your video as was done you aren't speaking truth to power. The words and actions should be strong enough to stand on their own.


HawkHead,

Like I said, there are the full unedited versions of the tapes on their web site as well as the complete transcripts of each video.


Then why did they edit it before releasing it to the public? If it was a complete slam dunk they didn't need to. Just like the Scott Walker tape and the Romney video.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby rabble » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:22 am

you must be joking wrote:rabble,

How many of those people where killed by the police in America were killed as they were trying to kill the police?

What do you think? Half, maybe? Three quarters? Every single one of them?
What fucking difference does that make? You figure Britain's got a better record because their people like the police better and don't try to kill them? Ever wonder why that is?

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby wack wack » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:54 am

you must be joking wrote:So Bland, what would you call the heart, lungs, liver, spleen, brains when those parts came from a human abortion? An unviable mass of tissue? Products of conception?


Fantasy.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby snoqueen » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:01 am

Whatever you want to call it, it's part of the woman's body. It's not the government's, and it's certainly not yours.

I think it would be immoral not to allow the woman to permit some of those cells to be used in research to find cures for diseases like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's, which cause untold suffering to actual, visible people and their families and in addition drain our limited healthcare dollars away from activities that could actually save and extend productive lives.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby pjbogart » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:28 am

I'm not sure if there's an official name for it, but I'll just term it "incident politics", meaning that you take an incident, carefully cherry-picked and sometimes even coaxed, and make sweeping political statements based upon that incident. Republicans have been fond of the hidden video tactic, starting with James O'Keefe who went so far as to attempt to bug a senior Senator's office posing as a cable crew. He also managed to defund ACORN, an organization critical to registering voters in low income neighborhoods across the country.

But just because one police officer shoots an unarmed black man doesn't mean that all cops are bad. And just because one soldier murders a detainee doesn't mean we need to disband the army. And just because you coax a Planned Parenthood employee into saying controversial things doesn't mean we need to defund the organization. They provide contraceptives, breast and cervical cancer screenings, std screenings and a host of other services for low income women across this country. They also provide a service that is safe, legal and a hotbutton political issue: terminating unwanted pregnancies. And that's the rub of it.

Not surprisingly, Republicans are not offering increased funding to deal with unwanted babies should they manage to destroy abortion rights. They just use the issue as an emotional cattle-prod to get people to the polls. They seem largely unconcerned with the absence of services that would come with defunding Planned Parenthood. Perhaps with Obamacare now in place we'll see organizations like Planned Parenthood becoming less necessary, but of course Republicans want to repeal Obamacare as well.

How many people should die in order to get your candidates elected, YMBJ?

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby DCB » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:53 am

pjbogart wrote: They also provide a service that is safe, legal and a hotbutton political issue: terminating unwanted pregnancies.

In fact, constitutionally protected service.

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Re: Speaking Truth to Power

Postby peripat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:08 am

And the truth is the world is massively overpopulated but we refuse to address that fact. We spend a lot of time figuring out how to prevent people from using birth control, following religions that require we produce as many more humans as we possibly can and doing everything we can to make sure that continues. This is just another bit of misdirection in the right wing fight to shut down Planned Parenthood.


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