Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Sandi » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:59 pm

penquin wrote:Come to thing of it, isn't the VA ran like a "single payer"? Does the VA have any doctors available to treat patients?


The VA doctors are not paid per patient, they are pretty much paid a salary. I don't know if they get any bonus though. I have to wonder if that is the reason for doctor turnover at some VA facilities. I have been waiting over a month for a new doctor at the Janesville VA clinic to get my required yearly checkup.

OTOH some of the doctors at the VA hospital have been there for years. Maybe there is a difference in salary for specialists and general medicine in the turnover mix.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby penquin » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:03 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:How much do teachers earn per year in Madison?


That depends on who you ask, 'cause lots of folks in the state beleive that public sector workers don't earn any of their pay/benefits.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Sandi » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:07 pm

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Sandi wrote: David Kennedy never said the site "had already been hacked," he said it could have already been hacked.


Please identify a single web site on the internet where it can not be said that "it could have been hacked."

There is no such thing as an impenetrable website. Why does this Kennedy guy single-out healthcare.gov to make this comment? How does the security of healthcare.gov compare to IRS.gov or medicare.gov?

Obviously, it is critically important for healthcare.gov to be up and running over next three weeks, every day counts. So calls by Republicans to take it off line are transparently malicious.


Of course there is no such think as "an impenetrable website. "Thank you for reinforcing my point. That has nothing to do with healthcare.gov which was designed without it, and security to be added later. And adding security later, as Kennedy indicated, is a hodgepodge patch up job that will takes months to a year or more.

I run several servers of my own, and they are not managed by my server hosts. I have complete access, and they are only responsible for the hardware. All software including the Linux operating system, PHP, MySQL and the rest I have to install, secure and upkeep myself. So I do know about website security.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Stebben84 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:07 pm

Sandi wrote:David Kennedy never said the site "had already been hacked," he said it could have already been hacked.


He said it was either hacked or will be. He did open the possibility it was hacked.

Oh and here was another part of his testimony:

When it comes to securing personal information online, Kennedy cited Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter as models for the industry.


Those sites get hacked all the time. This guy is a tool.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Sandi » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:17 pm

Stebben84 wrote:
Sandi wrote:David Kennedy never said the site "had already been hacked," he said it could have already been hacked.


He said it was either hacked or will be. He did open the possibility it was hacked.

Oh and here was another part of his testimony:

When it comes to securing personal information online, Kennedy cited Amazon, Facebook, and Twitter as models for the industry.


Those sites get hacked all the time. This guy is a tool.


As Huckleby and myself agree, any site can be hacked. You shouldn't get involved in discussing technology that you do not understand.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Rich Schultz » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:44 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:And all the doctors will be in New Hampshire.


Or congress.

"The disastrous Obamacare rollout has prompted eleven doctors to run for the Senate. These doctors, all of whom are Republicans, hope that their expertise as doctors will help to convince voters that Obamacare is not good for the nation."
http://shark-tank.net/2013/12/01/in-response-to-obamacare-disaster-11-conservative-doctors-running-for-congress/

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Stebben84 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:52 pm

Sandi wrote: You shouldn't get involved in discussing technology that you do not understand.


Then I'll ask that you not get involved in politics and science you don't understand because most of this is political theater, and you can't seem to see past that.

Rich Schultz wrote:These doctors, all of whom are Republicans


Surprise, surprise. Maybe they'll all be as smart as Rand Paul.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Donald » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:10 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:"The disastrous Obamacare rollout has prompted eleven doctors to run for the Senate. These doctors, all of whom are Republicans, hope that their expertise as doctors will help to convince voters that Obamacare is not good for the nation."
http://shark-tank.net/2013/12/01/in-response-to-obamacare-disaster-11-conservative-doctors-running-for-congress/

Let's examine one race, the one in South Dakota, where an MD, Annette Bosworth, is running for the Senate against former Governor Mike Rounds, a candidate that has his own scandal(s) brewing, one of which involves a federal investigation and a dead witness.

Annette Bosworth ran into a lot of trouble with South Dakota medical authorities a while back for not providing proper care. Essentially, she's not a practicing doctor anymore, but one who hangs out a non-profit health care shingle so she can develop various scams. She's engaged in a series of scams involving "lotteries" where people pay her money for a chance to purchase farmland, the profits of which she claims will go to fund various causes, including veterans causes. But, apparently, most of these "lotteries" have not been conducted under the law, and most of the charities have not seen any money.

The employees running her non-profit scam have bailed, claiming she refused to pay their wages, and they are suing.

Many in the know in South Dakota think "Dr." Bosworth is in the race in order to dilute the ultra-conservative vote so that Mike Rounds, ethically challenged as he is, can slide through a primary against two other candidates.

I don't know how many other Doctors in races are as "f-ed" up as "Dr." Bosworth's, but I wouldn't assume all these docs are in it to win it. For Annette, it may be a way to scam some money and do the establishment candidate a favor.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby kurt_w » Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:41 pm

Wow, Donald, that's quite an impressive resume "Dr" Bosworth has there. Thanks for posting that.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby kurt_w » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:14 pm

This new line of attack ("the website is insufficiently secure!") is actually a sign of how much circumstances have changed.

Over the past couple of years, opponents of Obamacare have fallen back from one line of trenches to the next, as the system advances more or less inexorably.

First there was the claim that it was unconstitutional.

Then there was no website.

Then the website was so riddled with bugs as to be virtually unusable.

Now the website, although functional, is alleged to be insufficiently secure.

Obviously, this progression represents one loss after another for Obamacare's opponents. The latest line of defense has some advantages for them -- the claim that a website is "unsafe" is basically impossible to falsify, since it's always possible that some as-yet undetected vulnerability might turn up tomorrow.

The problem is that (barring a sudden reversal) this isn't enough to stop people from signing up for health care. And by this time next year, a lot of people will have done so.

At some point, campaigning on "I hate Obamacare!" becomes a nonviable proposition for the GOP.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:21 pm

kurt_w wrote:At some point, campaigning on "I hate Obamacare!" becomes a nonviable proposition for the GOP.


So how many people have been signed up so far? Not to Medicaid but to insurance?

And by signed up, I mean enrolled and paid so that they will actually have coverage on January 1?

Carney won't say, claims he doesn't know. He did go on and on today about how Obamacare was not "Mission accomplished" and would everyone in the briefing room please stop asking when it would be. It is not "helpful" to ask that, he said.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Huckleby » Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:26 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote: So how many people have been signed up so far? Not to Medicaid but to insurance?


Why do you not count the expansion of medicaid to people who need it as a good thing?

Why do you hate poor and low income Americans?


The demographics of the exchange is a three year project, not three week or three month. There is plenty of time, relax. The individual mandate doesn't even really start until the third year when the penalties bump up to about $800.

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Donald » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:33 pm


You will note that the article you cite is flagged for copyright infringement by Cory Heidelberger's blog, Madvilletimes.com. Cory's blog has been digging up all the dirt on Bosworth and the Rounds scandals,

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Re: Dec. 1: Is The ACA Website Fixed?

Postby Bland » Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:31 pm

Donald wrote:

You will note that the article you cite is flagged for copyright infringement
It's also clearly marked as "not vetted."


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