wack wack wrote:Unlike conservatives, who don't seem to remember any history at all, the vast majority of progressives know exactly where unions came from, how they came to be and why they continue to be necessary.
I know exactly where unions came from and why they were necessary. Probably know more union history than you do after teaching it for 22 years.
As for sweeping generalizations, weren't you the one who made it? I was just agreeing with you and pointing out that I had been agreeing with you for 40 years or more.
Do you really believe management's goal should be to make unions unnecessary, and not just illegal? American business disagrees with you.
I am ABSOLUTELY
in favor of an worker's right to unionize. I am ABSOLUTELY
in favor of a worker's right to strike (Absent a contract agreement not to. Even then I still favor their right to strike over contract violations)
I think many unions serve valuable functions beyond being a hedge against bad management (which is itself a valuable function) Craft unions run training programs, as we discussed a few notes ago about apprenticeships. Craft unions provide employment services, hiring halls, for their members. Many unions provide valuable health, life and other insurance to their members.
I think unions do "Provide a hedge against bad management" even in non-unionized companies. I think the threat, even a remote threat, of unionization helps keep management from getting complacent.
I am even, sort of, against right to work laws. At the very least non-members should pay the equivalent of dues for representational services. What is called agency shop. I do think unions should have to stand for re-certification elections regularly, perhaps every 5 years. I think that might do away with some of the RTW objections.
As for American business wanting to make unions illegal, that sounds like a strawman to me. Can you point to some examples? They don't even have to be recent, anything in the past 20-30 years will be fine.
Not about govt workers unions. I do think they should be illegal and will be happy to discuss reasons why if you like.