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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:01 am

wack wack wrote:If Andrew Pudzer really cared about the welfare of his employees, he'd pay them more.

Sure. Give us a number.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:10 am

Ned Flanders wrote:
wack wack wrote:If Andrew Pudzer really cared about the welfare of his employees, he'd pay them more.

Sure. Give us a number.


$22/hr

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Huckleby » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:14 am

Andrew Pudzer is the chief executive office of CKE Restaurants
and a complete huckster

The lowest-paid employees who qualify for ACA coverage (as opposed to Medicaid) earn about $11,500 per year.

First of all, both the exchange and medicaid expansion are part of "ACA coverage." The intent of Obamacare was to provide medicaid to individuals earning up to about $16,000, which includes most of Pudzer's employees. His employees in Democratic controlled states are in great shape. His employees in states where Republicans are sabotaging the ACA are completely screwed. They'll get no medicaid. And either they won't be eligible for the exchange, or won't be able to afford it. Where is Pudzer's outrage towards the Republicans who are actually hurting his employees?

They would be subject to an initial penalty of $115 and a maximum penalty of $695. We currently estimate that their share of health insurance premiums will be $1,091.55 per year—again, well in excess of any potential penalty. So, in the first year, our employees' insurance costs likely will be four to 10 times more than the ACA's penalty on the uninsured.

Gee, thanks for the eye-opening number crunching.
Everybody knows that the penalties are low. Does he advocate raising the penalties to strong-arm more low income people into the exchange?

This is why I am concerned that the ACA could actually cause the number of our covered employees to decrease, particularly in the first year. The penalty for declining coverage will be low compared with the cost of coverage; and employees will know that if they happen to get sick, they can get insurance after that.

This guy started with the premise that he cares about his employees. Is he now complaining that the law is too easy on them?

LOL. He is concerned that the "number of our covered employees to decrease" not because of their health care access, but because of the impact this will have on insurance premiums for others!? What a fast-talking sleazeball.

If too few young healthy people enroll, insurers will raise premiums on those who do. This could result in a spiral of rising premiums—causing more healthy people to drop coverage, driving premiums even higher.

Brilliant insight. You do realize that this "death spiral" is what is already happening in the individual market pre-obamacare, right?

Finding the optimal penalties is a solvable tuning problem, not a design flaw, as this moron disingenuously implies. RomneyCare found workable policies, and 97% of the population in MA is insured.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:30 am

wack wack wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:
wack wack wrote:If Andrew Pudzer really cared about the welfare of his employees, he'd pay them more.

Sure. Give us a number.


$22/hr


Awesome! Now make that work within a fast-feeder profit model.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Huckleby » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:35 am

Ned Flanders wrote: Awesome! Now make that work within a fast-feeder profit model.


It's true that it is hard for small business to raise wages. The best way to effectively raise the minimum wage is to have the government pay the health benefits of employees. I think comrade Ned & I are on the same page here.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:38 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Sure. Give us a number.


wack wack wrote:$22/hr


Ned Flanders wrote:Awesome! Now make that work within a fast-feeder profit model.


Ok, listen carefully... very, very carefully:

FUCK PROFIT.

if you're not paying your employees a living wage, plus benefits, you do not deserve profit. if you can't do all this without help from the government (subsidies, tax breaks, etc.) you don't belong in business.

A business that reports record profits while its employees barely live is not successful, it is scum.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:38 am

Huckleby wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote: Awesome! Now make that work within a fast-feeder profit model.


It's true that it is hard for small business to raise wages. The best way to effectively raise the minimum wage is to have the government pay the health benefits of employees. I think comrade Ned & I are on the same page here.


Hardly. Fast food jobs are entry level jobs. They are places where people learn to work in a corporate structure in exchange for low wages. Hardly anyone makes a career of working the McDonald's window.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:39 am

CKE Restaurants (Hardee’s) is not a small business.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:41 am

wack wack wrote:FUCK PROFIT.

if you're not paying your employees a living wage, plus benefits, you do not deserve profit. if you can't do all this without help from the government (subsidies, tax breaks, etc.) you don't belong in business.

A business that reports record profits while its employees barely live is not successful, it is scum.

Awesome. Now just convince someone that a Happy Meal should cost $15.

And if you really hate profit, you should be really, really mad at Apple.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:44 am

Ned Flanders wrote:
wack wack wrote:FUCK PROFIT.

if you're not paying your employees a living wage, plus benefits, you do not deserve profit. if you can't do all this without help from the government (subsidies, tax breaks, etc.) you don't belong in business.

A business that reports record profits while its employees barely live is not successful, it is scum.

Awesome. Now just convince someone that a Happy Meal should cost $15.

And if you really hate profit, you should be really, really mad at Apple.


I don't hate profit when everyone profits. But that's not what happens in corporate America today.

I haven't heard Apple making excuses and blaming the government for their own decisions.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:00 am

Hardly anyone makes a career of working the McDonald's window.


That doesn't mean the people working there don't need insurance.

I think the guy from Hardee's has just inadvertently revealed the entirety of the Republican strategy on the ACA: defend your right to underpay people (so you can continue to move money to your stockholders and corporate brass) and then claim your employees are acting in their own best interest by taking the penalty and not buying their own insurance. At the same time, refuse Medicaid federal funds (ala Walker) so the same people can't get Medicaid in your state.

Purpose: to prove how much you hate anything Obama does; to prioritize corporate profits and upper-management compensation above all else (or the obverse, to minimize consideration for employees).

We can all be proud to live in a country where one of the two major political parties has this -- and little else -- for its complete healthcare strategy.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:09 am

snoqueen wrote:
Hardly anyone makes a career of working the McDonald's window.


That doesn't mean the people working there don't need insurance.

I think the guy from Hardee's has just inadvertently revealed the entirety of the Republican strategy on the ACA: defend your right to underpay people (so you can continue to move money to your stockholders and corporate brass) and then claim your employees are acting in their own best interest by taking the penalty and not buying their own insurance. At the same time, refuse Medicaid federal funds (ala Walker) so the same people can't get Medicaid in your state.

Purpose: to prove how much you hate anything Obama does; to prioritize corporate profits and upper-management compensation above all else (or the obverse, to minimize consideration for employees).

We can all be proud to live in a country where one of the two major political parties has this -- and little else -- for its complete healthcare strategy.

Who says anyone's being underpaid? These are entry-level jobs. Obamacare is a disaster. Obama knows it, legislators know it and the unions know it.

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:35 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Who says anyone's being underpaid? These are entry-level jobs.

This is funny. Entry level to what? They're not all 16 anymore. Many fast food employees are adults with families who had to find something when the titans of American industry sent their jobs overseas. Many have been through entry level and climbed the ladder, only to be knocked off by the profiteers.

Ned Flanders wrote:Obamacare is a disaster. Obama knows it, legislators know it and the unions know it.

Do you close your eyes and click your heels each time you say this, Dorothy?

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:34 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Who says anyone's being underpaid? These are entry-level jobs.


While flipping burgers used to be a part-time pocket-change job for teens, it's become a major employer of working families in the U.S. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says that two thirds of fast food workers are female; their median age is 32 years old.


http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/04/12 ... e-service/

Wouldn't want facts to get in your way Ned.


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