97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Bland » Wed Aug 06, 2014 12:58 am

Sandi wrote:....only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly stated that Man caused most of the warming since 1950.
This has been addressed ad infinitum. You're wrong.

Sandi wrote: Science on the other hand requires only one scientist to have produced verifiable and reproducible results
If only one scientist does an experiment, it has neither been verified nor reproduced. And when a whole buncha scientists reproduce and verify a result, and everyone can see what they did, that's called consensus.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Roy » Wed Aug 06, 2014 2:05 am

Bland wrote:If only one scientist does an experiment, it has neither been verified nor reproduced. And when a whole buncha scientists reproduce and verify a result, and everyone can see what they did, that's called consensus.


Look Mr illiterate, can you not read? What part of my quote "to have produced verifiable and reproducible results " goes over your head?

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby kurt_w » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:21 am

Sandi wrote:Look Mr illiterate, can you not read?


Reading is good. Being able to understand and evaluate what you read is even better.

On your previous visit to this thread, a few weeks ago, you repeatedly claimed that

"sea levels rising only 7 in. per century with no acceleration"

But that is clearly, obviously not true. Sea level is rising much faster than "7 in per century" and sea level has accelerated:

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You acquired that (false) factoid from reading WUWT. Even when multiple people explained that it was wrong, you continued to cling to what you'd read in WUWT. As far as I can tell, you never got around to admitting that WUWT had misled you, and that everyone else here was right.

So .... It's not just a matter of reading ability. You also need to understand what you read, assess whether a source is reliable (hint: WUWT is obviously not reliable) and maybe consider learning something from your mistakes.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:33 am

Sandi wrote:They are all pingo formations.


Can you link to the article that says they are definitively pingos. Thanks.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Bland » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:12 am

Sandi wrote:Look Mr illiterate, can you not read? What part of my quote "to have produced verifiable and reproducible results " goes over your head?

The part where you pretend that verification and reproducibility have nothing to do with consensus. I'm not sure what you think scientific consensus is, but it's not just a bunch of fellas sitting around over a few beers deciding what they're gonna believe today.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby jman111 » Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:39 am

Stebben84 wrote:
Sandi wrote:They are all pingo formations.


Can you link to the article that says they are definitively pingos. Thanks.

How DARE you question Sandi's verifiable, reproducible consensus!

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby PaleoLiberal » Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:59 am

Interesting thing. There are prophesies in the Bible about global warming. No, really, you can look it up. Check out Revelations.

No, I didn't take the time to read the Bible for global warming. Others have, and they have found stuff in the Bible that corresponds to modern scientific consensus.

The REALLY weird part of it is that the people who wrote the web sites showing how the Bible predicts global warming still think that the "global warming alarmists" are wrong! Yet, they believe in the Biblical prophesies. Can't quite figure that out.

One interesting thing about reading the Bible is to realize that some of the truly basic ideas of science were pretty well determined by the Bronze Age. If Genesis is read as an allegory, and it was probably intended as such, it gives an excellent account of creation. Not to mention that Greek, Egyptian and other scientists had made great strides, for example coming up with an almost exact size of the earth, etc.

We tend to forget that there was climate change way back when. Much of what is now desert in the Middle East was once fertile farmland. Libya was the breadbasket of the Roman Empire. The Fertile Crescent was, well, fertile, instead of a desert. So, even in biblical times, people were seeing climate change, and seeing how dangerous it could be.

The difference now is the much larger scale.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Roy » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:27 pm

PaleoLiberal wrote: So, even in biblical times, people were seeing climate change, and seeing how dangerous it could be.


True. However they did not have erroneous data nor the technology to run fabricates computer models.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Roy » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:31 pm

Bland wrote:
Sandi wrote:Look Mr illiterate, can you not read? What part of my quote "to have produced verifiable and reproducible results " goes over your head?

The part where you pretend that verification and reproducibility have nothing to do with consensus. I'm not sure what you think scientific consensus is, but it's not just a bunch of fellas sitting around over a few beers deciding what they're gonna believe today.


I don't "pretend" at all. consensus has nothing to do with science. Well perhaps I should qualify that. Consensus had nothing to do with the hard sciences. It is the bedrock of Political and Social science: which includes most of the science the alarmists use.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby rabble » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:34 pm

Sandi wrote:
PaleoLiberal wrote: So, even in biblical times, people were seeing climate change, and seeing how dangerous it could be.


True. However they did not have erroneous data nor the technology to run fabricates computer models.

And yet they managed to collapse a few civilization anyway.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Roy » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:05 pm

rabble wrote:And yet they managed to collapse a few civilization anyway.


And please explain what collapsing civilizations has in particular to do with global warming.

Although the alarmist do seem to think any change to anything is caused by global warming.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby rabble » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:05 pm

Sandi wrote:
rabble wrote:And yet they managed to collapse a few civilization anyway.


And please explain what collapsing civilizations has in particular to do with global warming.

Google is your friend, Sandi.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Roy » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:15 pm

rabble wrote:
Sandi wrote:
rabble wrote:And yet they managed to collapse a few civilization anyway.


And please explain what collapsing civilizations has in particular to do with global warming.

Google is your friend, Sandi.


Apparently not. Google doesn't show pages that connect the fall of civilizations with global warming. Besides that would ruin the alarmists contention that warming started with the industrial revolution.

More that likely that is your response because you realize you are wrong but can't manup and admit it.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby DCB » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:00 pm

Sometimes DuckDuckGo is your friend.

You can find several articles that show that climate change played a role in the collapse of other civilizations. This should not be surprising. Most early civilizations are inherently tied to agriculture, and agriculture can be very sensitive to climate. If the crops go bad, it really doesn't matter how big your army is or how well educated your elites are.

Climate can change for many reasons. What's different now is that we are knowingly changing the climate, in a fairly predictable way. Perhaps our advanced technology will allow us to adapt to the changes. Perhaps not.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Roy » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:14 am

DCB wrote:Sometimes DuckDuckGo is your friend.

You can find several articles that show that climate change played a role in the collapse of other civilizations. This should not be surprising. Most early civilizations are inherently tied to agriculture, and agriculture can be very sensitive to climate. If the crops go bad, it really doesn't matter how big your army is or how well educated your elites are.

Climate can change for many reasons. What's different now is that we are knowingly changing the climate, in a fairly predictable way. Perhaps our advanced technology will allow us to adapt to the changes. Perhaps not.


Hmm well you better show that to your alarmist friends. It is they that insist that global warming started early in the 20th century when the industrial revolution began.


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