No, I give a different set of fucks than you do.Prof. Wagstaff wrote:ArturoBandini wrote:Terrible person - ha!
That is how I characterize people who don't give a fuck about other people. That is you.
How did I move the goalposts? We were talking about abstract concepts and you gave a few specific examples, which I acknowledged and then returned to abstract concepts. Care to address my assertion that analogous simple truths are much harder to identify when it comes to political matters? Here's an example - is it better for the balance of political power to be shifted to local governments or to state or federal governments?Prof. Wagstaff wrote:I see. Now you want to move the goalposts. Can't say I blame you. Nobody likes being shown that they are an asshole.ArturoBandini wrote:And staking out a few cases where we can agree what is "better" does not establish universality of the concept of "goodness" ("betterness" was a silly word).
You've left unexamined the conditions under which such a situation might arise in the first place, aside from the Hippocratic Oath business which we will ignore for the purposes of this discussion. I can think of exceptional cases for your situation rather easily - for instance, if a rapist were mortally wounded by his victim acting in self-defense, I wouldn't feel compelled to turn a gun on a doctor or EMT to ensure the rapist's survival. I wouldn't stop the doctor from helping, either. And anyway, in my hypothetical world, the initiation of force is not magically rendered impossible by some new physical force. Nothing would actually stop you or anyone else from initiating force on a doctor to compel him or her to perform a life-saving procedure. However, such an action could and should be met with legal consequences.Prof. Wagstaff wrote:In your view, to give but one example, it is better to let someone die than it is to compel a doctor to administer a simple life-saving technique.
Since you often accuse me of living outside of reality, I find your outlandish doctor/compulsion situation interesting. Can you point to any cases from reality where a doctor chose not to save someone's life for no apparent reason, thereby forcing someone to threaten the doctor's life in response? I'm totally OK with constructing one-in-a-billion corner cases for the purpose of demonstrating a point, but you should hold your wild hypothetical alternative realities to the same standard that you do mine.