Romney Believers

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Re: Romney Believers

Postby Meade » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:22 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:I neither know nor care what Obama's actual religious beliefs are.

Then why don't you not know nor care what Romney's are?

My hypothesis: Your prejudices and biases prevent you from using reason and observing all the evidence.
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Re: Romney Believers

Postby bdog » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:24 pm

First sentence - redundancy on my part.

Belief in God is pretty un-scientific. I'm talking about people who believe it with every fiber of their being, with no proof other than their "faith".

If they were raised in some other culture they'd believe in a different God. I think that's no less ridiculous than turning a blind eye to the facts of evolution.

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Re: Romney Believers

Postby Meade » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:35 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:Pretty big difference between being a creationist and simply believing in God.

Really? What's the pretty big difference?

And "creationism", apparently, is not some simple monolithic belief system. There is all kinds of diversity in creationism:
1 History
1.1 Judaism and early and medieval Christianity
1.2 Natural theology
1.3 Modern science
2 Creationism internationally
2.1 Europe
2.1.1 Germany
2.1.2 Romania
2.1.3 Russia
2.1.4 Serbia
2.1.5 Switzerland
2.1.6 United Kingdom
2.2 Islamic countries
2.2.1 Iran
2.2.2 Lebanon
2.2.3 Turkey
2.3 Australia
2.4 South Korea
2.5 Americas
2.5.1 Brazil
2.5.2 United States
3 Movements
3.1 Christianity
3.2 Hinduism
3.3 Islam
3.4 Judaism
4 Types of creationism
4.1 Young-Earth creationism
4.2 Old Earth creationism
4.2.1 Gap creationism
4.2.2 Day-Age creationism
4.2.3 Progressive creationism
4.3 Neo-Creationism
4.4 Intelligent design
4.5 Creation science
4.6 Theistic evolution (evolutionary creation)
4.7 Obscure and largely discounted beliefs
4.8 Omphalos hypothesis
-from Wikipedia

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Re: Romney Believers

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:36 pm

bdog --
You seem to be suggesting that everyone who believes in any kind of deity is equally deluded, but that's demonstrably not the case given how many people who believe in God also believe in evolution (to cite only the topic at hand.) You don't really think that fundamentalists and unitarians are the same when it comes to how they'd like to effect society, do you? It is obviously possible to accept the reality of science but still harbor belief in something supernatural as well. Creationists actively deny facts which are in evidence whereas many non-creationists accept what is demonstrably real in addition to believing in something supernatural. The latter is still delusional, sure, but hardly as detrimental to society as a whole.

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