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"The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Cornbread » Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:18 pm

So, anyone that likes socialized medicine, aka obamacare ever read it? It's truly fluking amazing how all these people/groups are saying things about it, as if it were some sort of fact, when most of the "healthcare law" is yet to be written, as determined by "the secretary".

Who is this "secretary"? HHS?
From zerobam's 'medicaid for everyone!' health insurance bill:
Where/how often is mysterious overlord called "Secretary" appears:

“Secretary” 3267 times
“Secretary shall” 1051 times
“by the Secretary” 651 times
“Secretary may” 371 times
“Secretary determines” 222 times
“Secretary under” 80 times
“Secretary in consultation” 39 times
http://www.cchfreedom.org/pr/ObamaCareCzar.pdf



So what's all this mean? I dunno, why don't you click the link and read all the places where this mysterious government official rules over your healthcare and your life.

But you already have health care insurance, you state?
Zerobams said you could even keep it, no?
Does it qualify? Can your employer even afford to expand their health insurance so it can qualify, to what the government/secretary thinks it should be?

(c) RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE SECRETARY.— (1) IN GENERAL.—The
Secretary shall, by regulation, establish criteria for the certification of health plans as qualified health plans.
[same link]


Funny stuff, huh?

man, this crazy, godlike secretary seems to be all over the place.
How about what you eat in restaurants? I know, all scare tactics by the racist white conservatives.
But why is this in obamcare's socialist medical program?

‘‘(H) RESTAURANTS, RETAIL FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, AND
VENDING MACHINES.—…(x) REGULATIONS.—
‘‘(I) PROPOSED REGULATION.—Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment
of this clause, the Secretary shall promulgate proposed regulations to carry out this
clause.
‘‘(II) CONTENTS.—In promulgating regulations, the Secretary shall—‘‘(aa) consider standardization of recipes and methods of preparation, reasonable variation in serving size and formulation of menu items, space on menus and menu boards, inadvertent
human error, training of food service workers, variations in ingredients, and other factors, as the Secretary determines; and ‘‘(bb) specify the format and manner of the nutrient content disclosure requirements under this subclause.
[same link]


Our government health care is about restaurants?
Did they really say "serving size"?
and "variation in ingredients"?

can this all knowing secretary of the federal government be a good cook?

They even have a national ID in there.

Anyone know anything about this?

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Donald » Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:15 pm

This is pretty standard construction here. I'm not sure what your getting at, but you seem not have much experience reading statutes.

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby pjbogart » Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:57 pm

I don't know about you guys, but I'm picturing Glen Beck's rather insane ramblings in place of Cornholio's posts. The (air quotes) "secretary" is coming for you. Who is the secretary? I remember someone else who (air quotes) "came for you... Nazis!"

I'm starting to think that Cornbread isn't so much dumb as he is completely insane. Needling him isn't so much a danger of encouraging his posting as it is encouraging him to slip off the deep end, assuming he isn't already there.

Surely SEIU leftists are waiting outside his door.

More.

Barricades.

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Steve Vokers » Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:31 am

All it takes is changing a couple of letters to go from "secretary" to "secretariat." And the next thing you know, we're under a Soviet-styled Marxist communist dictatorship.

When will you sheeple wake up????

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:30 am

And then just capitalize the "S," and we're living ... UNDER A HORSE!!

Albeit a great horse. But a horse nonetheless.

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Steve Vokers » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:25 am

<insert Catherine the Great reference here>

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Donald » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:55 am

Here is the key to Cornbread, and far too many conservatives: "So what's all this mean? I dunno...."

Well, thank you, Cornbread, for being honest. Unfortunately, you weren't honest for any other part of your missive.

You go and do what conservative yahoos do all too often. Because you "dunno," or because you are faking your "I dunno" to ingratiate yourself with the Tea Party dumbies, you make it up, you fill in blanks with wild speculation and you go totally off the deep end with paranoid schizophrenic hallucinations. I guess some people are fooled, and will believe your hallucinations, but anyone who has been around the legislative process is not at all impressed by your lack of knowledge.

If you really "dunno" maybe you should learn a little about how laws are constructed before you post such a long and detailed example of your ignorance.

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Peanutbutter » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:07 am

Cornbread asks a serious question regarding Obamacare and how it will be ran.

Liberals respond by personally attacking him rather then answering the question.

Just another day in leftist Madison!

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:21 am

Exactly what serious question did he ask?

Also, your outrade at our insensitivity is fairly selective. No criticism of Cornie for routinely calling liberals "fascist thugs"? Or calling the Attorney General of the United States a "racist pimp"? Sounds like personal attacks to me.

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Peanutbutter » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:35 am

Stu Levitan wrote:No criticism of Cornie for routinely calling liberals "fascist thugs"? Or calling the Attorney General of the United States a "racist pimp"? Sounds like personal attacks to me.


This forum has a search function. By using that search function it can easily be seen that Cornbread has not once written either of those phrases that were quoted, let alone "routinely."

You're a lying troll and you're just trying to deflect attention away from any discussion that questions the effects of Obamacare.

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Donald » Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:45 am

If the question is how will the Affordable Care Act be implemented, there are several sources out there with information. It took me 2 minutes to find these sites and look at them long enough to try to decide whether this was going to satisfy Cornies' intellectual interest. Some provisions of the Act have already been implemented, and others will be rolled out over the next 5 years. Some of the Act requires states to act. Some will, some won't. I've included one site providing general information from the White House and one from a neutral source providing more detailed information.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/healthreform/timeline

http://healthreform.kff.org/Timeline.aspx

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:20 am

Peanutbutter wrote:
Stu Levitan wrote:No criticism of Cornie for routinely calling liberals "fascist thugs"? Or calling the Attorney General of the United States a "racist pimp"? Sounds like personal attacks to me.


This forum has a search function. By using that search function it can easily be seen that Cornbread has not once written either of those phrases that were quoted, let alone "routinely."

You're a lying troll and you're just trying to deflect attention away from any discussion that questions the effects of Obamacare.


Re: Obamacare Ruling for Adults
... CAN do to individuals. It's a government limiting document, one that favors individual freedom and liberty. BTW, this is why leftists are such fascist pigs. Think about that one.....by Cornbread



Sorry-- he said "fascist pigs," not "fascist thugs."

Re: Top Five Reasons Progressives Have the Moral High Ground
... Voter Fraud problems How do you define "major" from 'minor' problems? And how do you know? Wanna see a white guy going to cast that racist pig eric holder's vote? ... by Cornbread


Sorry -- he said "racist pig," not "racist pimp." Guess I remembered that wrong. Still, I think my point holds. Do you think those are acceptable phrases on this board?

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Cornbread » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:48 am

Peanutbutter wrote:Cornbread asks a serious question regarding Obamacare and how it will be ran.

It is always amusing. Reckon that's why I use things like "dunno".....because it's a guar-n-teed to wad up the undergarments of lefties.....all the while I'm making points that are completely lost upon thems edumcated peeples. :lol:

So, now what does this secretary of this (formerly) great nation's health care program have to do with serving sizes in restaurants and vending machines again?

We were droned at that "we need to pass the bill [into law] so we can see what's in it". Well, apparently what's in it is just a few thousand page permission slip for some federal czar/minister/secretary to decide what we can get, what we cannot get, what type of health insurance we will have, and of course, how restaurants are ran, what food they can serve, in what portion sizes.....and of course, vending machines.

My only question is will this czar/minister also regulate what kind of vehicles we are allowed to purchase as we'll be driving them to and from restaurants, places with vending machines, and of course, those large, cold, government health care exchange buildings where we will have to wait and see what we are allowed to have as far as health care.....

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Cornbread » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:01 pm

Peanutbutter wrote:This forum has a search function. By using that search function it can easily be seen that Cornbread has not once written either of those phrases that were quoted, let alone "routinely."

Technically, I don't go overboard on calling the left what they are.
But sometimes I do accurately refer to them as fascists because, well, in practice and history, they are. Sometimes I'll add "pig" for emphasis, relative to how much of a fascist that post has showed them to be. Pigs are gluttons and the gluttony for power is all about fascism.

Think about this, some czar/minister will be determining restaurant portion sizes for us serfs? And vending machines? This clown is supposed to be the god of our health care world.

Eric holder is a racist, period. Unless one accepts his buddy jessie jackson's definition of racism that dictates black people cannot be racist. So it's a given that holder letting blacks get away with things whites would be publicly crucified for cannot be anything but racist because the only difference in cases are the color of their skin, not the content of their character.

And if that leftist eric holder's racism is egregious, then yeah, he would be classified as a pig because that's quite disgusting.

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Could you imagine if these where whites in a KKK outfit?

Does the new black panther party still have their cash bounty out on jorge zimmerman? What would have happened if the kkk did that to someone black?

How can these racists not be pigs? A pig, in its blind gluttony will even eat their own.

Now, back to our health care minister running our portion sizes in restaurants and vending machines.....

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Re: "The Secretary" will determine your life

Postby Stu Levitan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:04 pm

Yeah, I think we're getting pretty close to saying "goodbye" to ol' Cornie.


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