Tea Party is Losing

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby Huckleby » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:22 am

oh, and while we are the subject of Republican affirmative action hires: can anybody doubt that Fox News would be hiding Allen West rather than trying to deodorize him if he were a garden-variety white cracker? If Allen West wasn't black, you would NEVER see him on national TV, he is dumb, uninteresting, embarassing.

BTW, I do not consider Herman Cain the Tea Party Black Mascott that some have said. I think he is very smart, talented, charismatic. He isn't a politician or news junky, so he had some holes in knowledge that made him look foolish at times.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby Meade » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:39 am

pjbogart wrote:Marco Rubio is the new JC Watts, enjoying an affirmative action ascendancy into the Republican power ranks, but he seems more like "my black friend" than a role model for Hispanics.

Do you have a source of evidence for that assertion? Thanks.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby johnfajardohenry » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:14 pm

Huckleby wrote:Do you deny that minorities, especially hispanics, are elevated within the Republican party because they have extra political value?


What extra political value does Rubio's being hispanic bring?

He will bring some extra votes from the Cuban American population because he is Cuban American. But, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, most Cuban-Americans are in Florida. Romney does'nt look to need much help in FL and certainly doesn't need much help from Cuban Americans who are reliable Repo voters.

Mexicans, wherever they are can't vote so he doesn't help with them. Mexican-Americans US citizens of Mexican heritage have nothing in common other than language (sort of) I can't see Rubio's being hispanic getting many additional votes from this group.

Ditto Puerto Ricans. Puerto Ricans have a bit more in common with Cuban Americans but not much more. He will get a few extra Puerto Rican votes. Puerto Ricans, outside of the city machine areas tend to demmies but can often be persuaded to vote for Repos. If they vote for Rubio it will mostly be because they like his ideas, looks or whatever, not because he is Cuban-American.

Now if Luis Fortuno, currently governor of PR, were nominated (and he has been mentioned) that would swing a lot of Puerto Rican votes but probably do nothing one way or the other for Cuban-Americans. Or Mexican-Americans for that matter.

As I explained in another note on another thread, this whole myth of an hispanic block is just that, a myth. The three main groups have next to nothing in common in terms of where they came from how they got here, culture, genetic makeup or anything else other than language.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby Huckleby » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:32 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:
Huckleby wrote:Do you deny that minorities, especially hispanics, are elevated within the Republican party because they have extra political value?


What extra political value does Rubio's being hispanic bring?

He will bring some extra votes from the Cuban American population because he is Cuban American. But, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, most Cuban-Americans are in Florida. Romney does'nt look to need much help in FL


I'm the one who pointed out that Mexicans have little affinity for people Caribbean lands. So I agree that Rubio has little value as a "hispanic." But judging by Republican comments and behavior, they seem to think he can carry the hispanic banner.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby johnfajardohenry » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:50 pm

First elected black senator (Brooke)
First black Sec State (Powell)

I guess they got there by affirmative action too, right?

As for black democrats, they seem to be kept on a pretty tight chain on the demmie plantation.

Are there any black demmie congressmen who do not represent majority black districts? Many of them gerrymandered to within an inch of extinction like the NC district that includes a long stretch that is about 60' wide to connect majority black areas.

Black repos tend to get elected from majority white districts.

And speaking of affirmative action, hasn't Obama himself said that he got where he is on the basis of affirmative action rather than merit? He did poorly in HS yet got into a competitive University. We don't know how he did there but can speculate that if he had done well, he would be trumpeting the fact.

Then he got into Columbia where he was basically a stoner, by his own admission. Again, we would expect to have heard if his grades had been better than mediocre.

Ditto Harvard where he edited the law review even though he published nothing.

and so on.

He got elected president largely as an affirmative action measure. As his eventual running mate (Slow Joe) said he was a clean, articulate black. I suspect a lot of people given the choice between a McCain who we knew would be horrible and an Obama about who we knew and still know little many people figured "Pull the lever for the black guy. It's their turn to have a president. He can't be any worse than McCain."

So, lots of evidence than Obama got pushed along, always beyond his own competence, mainly because he was black. Sounds like classic AA to me.

Unlike Rubio for who nobody has presented any evidence he has not gotten where he is on his own merits.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:01 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:First elected black senator (Brooke)

Definitely a RINO, especially by today's Tea Party standards.

jfh wrote:First black Sec State (Powell)

Who resigned with a mixture of shame and disgust after delivery a defense of our invasion of Iraq, because he was fed lies about WMD from Bush administration sources. He said that speech in front of the UN was the low point of his life.

Got any other examples? How ab out Clarence Thomas vs. Thurgood Marshall?

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby david cohen » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:40 pm

and you've presented no evidence that Obama got where he did via AA...only your opinion. good luck with that! Rubio isn't shit, really. Just another Cuban conservative who trots out Fidel to get elected.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby Huckleby » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:59 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote: Unlike Rubio for who nobody has presented any evidence he has not gotten where he is on his own merits.

He got his Senate seat by his own merits. Much of his prominance in Republican party is due to his being hispanic.

this is a judgement, not a fact that can proven with evidence. One can easily prove that he is exceptionally prominant given his meager accomplishments. But then your judgement might be that his charisma, articulation or some other magnificence are the reason. Whatever, you are entitled to your judgements.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby Rich Schultz » Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:31 am

Do Liberals in Madison only write with Crayolas? They sound like they would be more comfortable drawing up the guest list for the Octoroon Ball. This election is about jobs not genealogy.

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby Stomach » Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:54 am

Rich Schultz wrote:This election is about jobs


In that case we should outsource the election, if only for the sake of consistency.

(PS - I've always been fond of Periwinkle)

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Re: Tea Party is Losing

Postby wack wack » Fri Jul 06, 2012 7:47 am

Rich Schultz wrote:Do Liberals in Madison only write with Crayolas? They sound like they would be more comfortable drawing up the guest list for the Octoroon Ball. This election is about jobs not genealogy.


Perhaps, but at least they're drawing from the 64 crayon box. Conservatives nation-wide are only offered the box of 8, after 4 have been removed to eliminate confusion.


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