Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

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Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:00 pm

And no, they can't have their own one-state immigration policy any more. Immigration is a federal matter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... ml?hpid=z2

From the ruling written by Judge Kennedy:

“As a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States.”


Got that?

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Re: Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

Postby Cornbread » Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:17 pm

snoqueen wrote:Got that?

Um, yeah, whatever you demand. :roll:

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Re: Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

Postby gargantua » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:13 pm

This response doesn't make much sense either, and it's only five words. Amazing.

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Re: Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:55 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ariz ... 31255.html

Discusses Justice Scalia's dissent.
Arizona's entire immigration law should be upheld, Scalia wrote, because it is "entitled" to make its own immigration policy. At one point, he cites the fact that before the Civil War, Southern states could exclude free blacks from their borders to support the idea that states should be able to set their own immigration policies.

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Re: Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

Postby Detritus » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:07 pm

snoqueen wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/arizona-dissent-scalia-blasts-obama-deportation-stay-immigration-185431255.html

Discusses Justice Scalia's dissent.
Arizona's entire immigration law should be upheld, Scalia wrote, because it is "entitled" to make its own immigration policy. At one point, he cites the fact that before the Civil War, Southern states could exclude free blacks from their borders to support the idea that states should be able to set their own immigration policies.

I can see why he's being quoted on Yahoo.

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Re: Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:41 pm

Yeah, I know it was a weird place to find that tidbit.

Here's the whole text:

http://nationaljournal.com/politics/tex ... g-20120625

Scalia's dissent is on page 30-51. His slavery-era thing was meant to show the powers he says are available to the states. It's pretty much a states' rights argument, and while the majority came down on the side of immigration being a federal matter not a state matter, he flatly disagrees. On page 41 he says:

The most important point is that, as we have discussed, Arizona is entitled to have “its own immigration policy”—including a more rigorous enforcement policy—so long as that does not conflict with federal law. The Court says, as though the point is utterly dispositive, that “it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain present in the United States,” ... It is not a federal crime, to be sure. But there is no reason Arizona cannot make it a state crime for a removable alien (or any illegal alien, for that matter) to remain present in Arizona.


He goes on to make it clear he really, really can't stand the behavior of the current administration regarding immigration and aliens, which hasn't got an awful lot to do with the legal questions he's been appointed to adjudicate. But hey, it's his dissent.

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Re: Supreme Court decides Arizona crossed the line

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:44 pm

Arizona police see "difficulties" enforcing immigration law

For Arizona sheriff Antonio Estrada, enforcing a state law that requires officers to determine the immigration status of people they stop and suspect are in the United States illegally was always going to be difficult.

But that is exactly what he will soon be expected to do now that the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the most controversial aspect of Arizona's crackdown on illegal immigrants.

"They are focusing on one particular group of people, Hispanics, and here along the border ... it can be pretty challenging to determine who's here legally and who isn't," said Estrada, the sheriff of Santa Cruz County, which flanks Mexico in southern Arizona.

He is among police chiefs throughout the state grappling with the practical aspects of just how to implement the law in a state where there are about two million Hispanics - nearly a third of the state's 6.5 million people - most of whom are there legally. There were an estimated 360,000 unauthorized immigrants in Arizona as of January 2011, according to government figures.

The provision requires police to make a reasonable attempt to check the immigration status of people they stop, even for an offense such as jay walking, if they suspect that they are an illegal immigrant.

After enough citizens and legal residents of Hispanic ethnicity are stopped, the law suits over profiling will begin. After all, who carries papers proving citizenship?


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