Huckleby wrote:With all the frightening violence, you can't blame people for leaning to law-and-order candidates.Cornbread wrote:So now, it'll just be up to the egyptians to see just how much they want individual freedoms.
Sometimes violence can be frightening--sometimes violence is the only answer. Freedom is rarely given away--it usually must be taken (as it's the God Given Birthright of humankind) from people trying to control/enslave you.
When people have lived under oppressive government control, when given their freedom, there's often a blowout. This is the time of a vacuum and stupid people take advantage of it--but also terrorists/criminals.
The communist vietcong is a wonderful example of the latter strategy--using terror and attacking the people's belief that their governors will be able to protect them. Infrastructure is attacked, medical/schools are attacked, any cooperation by anyone will be made an example of. The same thing happened in iraq--attacking power grids, blowing up civilians at bus stops, etc.
It's a pretty common--terror--and it's the only way a minority can overcome the majority.
Due to tourism, egyptians have been exposed to the west and they won't sit for being terrorized by a minority. Iran could be cast off into jimmy carter's wasteland because no one wants to go there. A lot of people want to see the pyramids, the nile, and such of egypt, so their economy has always been ran off that and the people progressed, modernized due to tourist dollars (marks, etc.).
If there is any fighting for freedom of being enslaved by islamists in egypt, you can bet there will be a LOT of other countries supporting the egyptian people fighting for their liberation. Zerobams won't because of his leftist fixation on hating israel, but other (non euro) countries will.
Oh, and don't forget the suez. If iran can shut down hormuz and the suez gets closed, the whole world will come to a crashing halt.
(Maybe zerobams will then OK domestic production and refining, but I doubt it--Heck, the dems here killed thousands of union jobs from mining because of their angry politics).
Don't be depressed. The middle east is becoming liberated.
That's been long overdue. BIA? Bush International Airport?
[syria] If you want to talk about DIRECT influence, I would say the Iran revolt, even though unsuccessful, got the Arab spring rolling in Tunisia and Egypt. I think the Iraq fledgling democracy might have had some influence in getting the IRanians into the streets.
Arabs don't like persians. But to be honest, historically, arabs have never liked other arabs and muslims have been slaughtering other muslims for a century or two. They're all so fluking tribal--but that's the nature of their retarded civilization. Christianity had their Reformation and they moved forward.
Islam had their reformation and they went backwards (wahabs).
Persia (iran) is an island between the middle east and the asian southwest. They're stuck.
Look at where syria is. Syria wouldn't have happened if the US never helped the people of iraq become independent and free--this is why syria and iran have (iran still is) fighting the free iraq so hard and why iran is helping support syria.
Iran needs Iraq to fail. Iran also needs assad (syria) to keep control of their people because, well if not, then lebanon will be cut loose and they can (after their civil war) become a country(ies) of their own being. That will lessen the iran backed hezbollah terrorism from south lebanon into israel. And on the other side of israel? Yup, egypt.
The whole world changed once Iraq was free. People get caught up in their petty, BS politics, but one thing is clear worldwide--the world is a FAR better place with Iraq being liberated. The arab world is changing.....and don't ever underestimate this picture: