What the GOP really thinks about Obama

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby narcoleptish » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:15 am

I finally clicked here to see what the GOP thinks about Obama.

Not what I expected.

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Huckleby » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:27 am

nobody expects a Spanish inquisition

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Huckleby » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:49 am

Ducatista wrote: But PC is a lazy fiction and deserves to be called out as such.

In rabble's defense, I'd also come around to the idea that you must be trolling, but since you insist not, I'll bite.

PC is real.

I don't troll, I am a contrarian who likes sharp but respectful debate. Well, disrespect is OK now and then, in the heat of moment.
In the conservative forum where I post, I get similar negativity, there are no differences between liberals and conservatives in nastiness. I am very pro-immigrant, when I delicately suggested there might be ethnic component to the anti-illegal fever, that was interpreted as calling others "racists." The torches and pitchforks came out.

Ducatista wrote:The more subjective and less universal the difference or perceived difference, the trickier the discussion becomes.

The correct answer is you simply can't and shouldn't discusss tricky issues online. Since people don't know who you are, they are free to imagine racist or sexist natures. It's hard enough in person.

Ducatista wrote:But "men and women laugh at different things" wasn't Hitchens' stance. His premise was that women aren't funny. His reasoning: they don't need to be funny, because the purpose of humor is to attract a mate, and men will have sex with us just because we're there, no humor required.

I don't know, my experience is that there is some truth to this, men are always dancing their little jig to attract attention.

Ducatista wrote:Of course, Hitch would say I'm an outlier, a facile way to explain away the millions of exceptions to his "rule."

IF you talk about differences between groups of people, you are stuck making generalizations.

Ducatista wrote:It's funny that Hitchens would be so out there in his critique of religion (which, btw, I always found strident and unhelpful, even though I agree with many of his underlying principles), and yet so retro on the subject of male-female relations and differences.

This is exactly what you get from free thinkers. I take it you admire Camile Paglia, even expressed some identification with her. She appreciates Rush Limbaugh. She is against gay marriage. (This is from a few years back, maybe she has recanted.) You get a mix.

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:56 am

Huckleby wrote:
Prof. Wagstaff wrote: Hitchens didn't say men were funnier than women. He said women weren't funny.

He is being rude and provocative, but he is saying the same thing.
Your propensity to insist that two different things are actually the same thing never ceases to amaze me. I am fully confident that Hitchens was capable of saying what he meant, not what you think he should have said. Why don't you listen to what he said instead of making assumptions.

And you're also aware that that essay was but a single example of the man's sexism, right? I assume you also don't understand why anyone might find this view a wee bit sexist?

Huckleby wrote:Hitchens doesn't actually believe that there are no funny women on the planet, unless he has gone mad.
You do know the man is dead, right?

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Huckleby » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:31 am

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:
Huckleby wrote:
Prof. Wagstaff wrote: Hitchens didn't say men were funnier than women. He said women weren't funny.

He is being rude and provocative, but he is saying the same thing.
Your propensity to insist that two different things are actually the same thing never ceases to amaze me. I am fully confident that Hitchens was capable of saying what he meant,

He qualified his statement with acknowledgement that some women are funny. Which was my point.

I'm not interested in untangling Christopher Hitchens views on women. And no, you can't take everything he says at face value.

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:41 am

Huckleby wrote:He qualified his statement with acknowledgement that some women are funny. Which was my point.
Your point was that thing I mentioned earlier?
That thing I quoted earlier?
What he did was qualify his sexist remark with an even worse one. And then he boorishly defended those positions without giving up any ground to reasonable criticism. That last part must be what makes him your hero.

You're impossible.

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Huckleby » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:49 am

you are excellent at debating air

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:54 am

Huckleby wrote:you are excellent at debating air
Yes, I am excellent at debating you.

ZING!!!

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Stella_Guru » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:39 pm

rabble wrote: Not Sheppy, not Ned, not nobody.

Who is this "Sheppy"?

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby rabble » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:43 pm

Stella_Guru wrote:
rabble wrote: Not Sheppy, not Ned, not nobody.

Who is this "Sheppy"?

A sock puppet from long ago. He didn't get the kind of mileage Huck is getting but damn, he had style.

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Ducatista » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:46 pm

Huckleby wrote:I take it you admire Camile Paglia, even expressed some identification with her.

Why in the world would you take that? You mentioned that Hitchens and Paglia are your heroes, I just pointed out that you seem at odds with each of them on one of their pet topics.

The only positive thing I can say about Paglia is that she's a whiz at self promotion and pandering to anyone who still uses the term PC with a straight face.

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Ducatista » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:48 pm

rabble wrote:A sock puppet from long ago. He didn't get the kind of mileage Huck is getting but damn, he had style.

Since we're on the subject, hey Huckleby. I've noticed that you and bdog share an unusual typographic tic: WAY too many spaces (at least 3, sometimes 4 or more) after a period. It's not visible in posts, the forum formatting must strip out the extras. But I've quoted both of you recently, and it shows up in the quoted text in the composition window. Coincidence? Hallmark of the free-thinking conservative? Same typing school?

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Huckleby » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:07 pm

Ducatista wrote: The only positive thing I can say about Paglia is that she's a whiz at self promotion and pandering to anyone who still uses the term PC with a straight face.

I'm surprised you see nothing of value in Paglia. She is articulate and passionate about her views, and offers a full menu to choose from.

Lets put that ugly PC moniker to rest. What opinions do you hold that are outside of the politically correct umbrella:
Did you support war in Iraq?
Do you like Howard Stern?
Uncomfortable with affirmative action?

I guess you did testify as to your tolerance of porn and related activities. I guess that counts.

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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby Huckleby » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:14 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:
Huckleby wrote:you are excellent at debating air
Yes, I am excellent at debating you.

ZING!!!


I'm not engaged in Christopher Hitchins defense because it requires too much thought and research. He plays games, and I'm not interested in jumping into the weeds.

I watched a Charlie Rose roundtable tribute to Hitchens recently, an hour with his writer friends. They all count his Iraq War days as an anomoly, and the true self came back with his anti-God phase. I don't buy it, everybody likes a loose cannon as long as the cannon points at their preferred targets.
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Re: What the GOP really thinks about Obama

Postby otto105 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:15 pm

Well, what does the left think of willard romney?

That he is a Mexican immigrant from polygamy based religion.


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