Huckleby wrote:Prof. Wagstaff wrote:That's because they willfully keep their eyes closed.
How much "positive" counterbalances all the molested children.
How would someone leaving the Catholic church do any good ?
The Church has power over our government and can skirt the law because they have influence and money. Where do you think those things come from?
Huckleby wrote:You clearly have a very narrow view of what they are all about, you see them through the prism of the disasters.
No, I just refuse to give them a pass for all the horrific nastiness they've been responsible for. Can you think of any other groups you have this attitude towards?
And I fail to understand how any of the great things The Church does do cannot be achieved outside the confines of their rancid ideology. I don't want people to stop doing great things for their fellow humans, I want them to stop supporting an organization which is clearly and demonstrably detrimental to society. Non-Catholics do good things all the time, so why not jettison the abhorrent medieval mindset and just cut right to the good deeds? Couldn't more people be helped if money wasn't being funnelled to defending child molesters? My guess is yes.
What is analogous in Islam to The Catholic Church in terms of adherents, power, influence, or wealth? Again, you're trying to generalize while I remain steadfastly specific.Huckleby wrote: This is no different than seeing the Muslim church as a terrorist organization.
Uh... of course they have turned a blind eye. What else can you call donating money, time, and influence to an organization as rancid as The Church? I mean, are you seriously trying to trap me with the whole "well, here's the name of a smart person who believes what you're decrying" gambit? I don't have to think someone's a complete moron to recognize that one particular aspect of their behavior is totally insane. I can acknowledge Isaac Newton's devout belief that he had calculated the precise date of the crucifixion of Jesus as idiotic while still being capable of recognizing his genius. That said, I certainly I wouldn't turn to any of the people you named for spiritual advice. Would you?Huckleby wrote:Why do you suppose that liberal pundits like EJ Dione, Mark Shields and Maureen Dowd remain devout Catholics? Do you think they have turned a blind eye to the institutional failings, or creaky heirarchy? Are they brainwashed or stupid?