Huckleby wrote:Your mind is made-up and closed.
Ah, the last refuge of someone when they cannot convince you with facts and logic.
Your arrogance is astounding. Y'know, it's not like I invented my opinion of The Church the day I started discussing it with you. You would have us believe that nobody has ever known a Catholic but you, nobody has ever talked to a priest but you, nobody is willing to look at the good of The Church but you, nobody else's life experiences with The Church are relevant, and everybody is closed-minded but the one guy here who has to do moral gymnastics to justify the continued existence of a criminal organization which stretches back further than anyone can remember.
Huckleby wrote: I agree that the church membership threatening to withhold funds got the church moving faster than anything else.
Wait, wait, wait... so you agree that the position I've been advocating since this discussion began is effective!?
Cuz wow, that's exactly what I've been suggesting the Catholic rank-and-file do. Why was it a good idea then, but not now?
Huckleby wrote:Is that true? Are there more incidents of sex abuse today than with Methodists, Unitarians, Boy Scouts, or Little League coaches?
You don't seem to want to acknowledge that The Catholic Church is unique in its size, influence, age, and wealth. There simply aren't any other groups, organizations, or even other religious groups to which it can be reasonably compared, no matter how much you strain to do so. (Although, if there's a Pope of Little League, I'd sure like to meet him.)
But more importantly, who cares if there are more or fewer incidents in the Church than elsewhere?
How would the crimes of others absolve The Church of theirs?
And have any of those other groups spent decades covering up a vast network of criminal activity and still not been truly brought to justice?
Huckleby wrote:I can't convince you that they are mostly good people...
You don't need to. I think we all agree with you. But as I've said before, people can be essentially good and still have an ugly ideological blind spot. And doing good deeds does not absolve you of participating in great evil.
Huckleby wrote:Many people still associate gay men with pedophilia.
Funny you should mention that as it's the official line of The Catholic Church.
I saw this time and time again when doing more reading last night. Virtually everything that came from the mouths of Cardinals and Archbishops, or was penned from someone inside The Vatican, makes it clear that the Church's view is that pedophilia is a symptom of homosexuality.