Huckleby wrote:Most of the Church's positions are not asinine.
I beg to differ.
Huckleby wrote: Most priests are wonderful people. Nuns too.
I have acknowledged this many times over already in my replies.
Either you're not listening or you're still trying to shift the focus of this discussion.
Huckleby wrote:Catholics do not passively support child molestation coverup, on the contrary, there has been an internal revolution.
So you say. What have these revolutionaries accomplished, exactly?
Huckleby wrote:Most catholics ignore the asinine positions of the creaky elders.
passive support as long as The Church actively attempts to force others to obey their rules.
Huckleby wrote: jman111 wrote:
Prof. Wagstaff wrote:What does The Church have that makes them seem like the most viable way to help the needy quickly?
It's not about what the church offers to help the needy, it's about what the church supposedly offers in the afterlife
. As is the case with many (most?) other cults, they prey on our natural fear of the unknown- of death.
well, this is the fundamental way of any and all religions. the "pie in the sky" as the old song goes.
From someone who hates it when he thinks others generalize... yeeeesh. No. You are wrong. Catholicism is a particularly morbid, death-based theology. Judaism is about living and has almost nothing to say about death. Buddhism is not about what happens after you die. Lots of Native American religions don't dwell much on death. And so on.
Huckleby wrote: individuals get peace from their declared personal relationship with god.
I have no problem with a personal relationship with God.
But I DO have a problem with people having personal relationships with hate-mongering organizations hellbent on turning back the clock on the progress of human rights. Don't you?
You see, someone's "personal relationship" is no longer personal when it begins infringing on my or anyone else's rights.
Huckleby wrote:The Catholic Church is not good because of their good deeds. The good deeds come from the good ideology, manifested by selflessness.
What is this "good ideology" of which you speak?
Then explain which parts of that exist solely within the Church and are unattainable via other philosophic avenues.
Huckleby wrote:accepting the religous is a lot like accepting gay people.
Gay people are biologically gay. They have no choice in the matter.
Religion is either forced on you by your family or community or a conscious choice made after reflection.
Gay people do not have to make excuses and ignore reality to convince themselves that they are gay.
Huckleby wrote: you think of them in stereotypes (which may be true as far as they go), but you don't get it until you have a couple close relationships with some people you admire in that tribe.
And stop acting like you're the only person here who "gets" religion and knows people who are religious. You sound stupid and insulting when you trot this line out. I know and love people from many different religions and backgrounds
. I can admire individual Catholics for anything they do except continuing to give The Catholic Church a free pass to run roughshod over my society because they refuse to look past their ideological blind spot!