What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Madsci » Sun Oct 09, 2016 4:59 pm

The GOP has become the symptom of the disease. And the voters who keep them in office are just as bad, but a tad dumber - not naive but stupid.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby jonnygothispen » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:10 pm

Lots of people talking, few of them know, the soul of this post was created below...
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby jonnygothispen » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:11 pm

gargantua wrote:
snoqueen wrote:I never thought we would find ourselves wondering why the GOP leadership continues to support a man who boasts about sexual assault.

I don't know who coined the phrase but it fit: Clinton Derangement Syndrome. After more than two decades of continuous demonizing, there are people who literally believe that Hillary Clinton is irredeemably evil. "What Hillary Did Was Far Worse" is all over social media. When asked what she "did" that was so bad, it's invariably right wing talk radio ravings that they accept as fact. People still think the Clintons had Vince Foster killed. You just can't reason with people who have locked themselves into that echo chamber. And that's why it continues to get worse.
The Vince Foster conspiracy freaks me out the most for no other reason than 6 different agencies (including 2 Republican-led congressional investigations) investigated his death and all found it to be a suicide.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby DCB » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:25 pm

The culmination
Charles Pierce wrote:The Republican Party has been edging toward this catastrophe for 40 years, ever since it let goons like the late Terry Dolan help run its senatorial campaigns in the late 1970s. Dolan led to Lee Atwater, who led to Karl Rove and, altogether, they made Donald Trump not an aberration, but a culmination. It took into itself the debris of American apartheid. It allied itself with radicalized American Protestantism. It adopted a basic political philosophy of vandalism and nihilism. When confronted with an opportunity for human decency, such as in the case of Terri Schiavo, the party opted for cruelty. When presented an opportunity for political unity, such as in the aftermath of the attacks of September 11, the party opted for the despicable in domestic politics and for the barbaric overseas. When handed an opportunity to change course, such as when the deregulated casino economy nearly destroyed the world in 2008, it doubled down on the basic economic philosophy that caused the wreckage in the first place. And when it became plain that the party was on the wrong side of history, such as the movement for marriage equality, it chose to work in the states through pestiferous god-botherers like Mike Pence, whose name Kelly Ayotte will write in for president.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:55 pm

gargantua wrote:
snoqueen wrote:I never thought we would find ourselves wondering why the GOP leadership continues to support a man who boasts about sexual assault.

I don't know who coined the phrase but it fit: Clinton Derangement Syndrome. After more than two decades of continuous demonizing, there are people who literally believe that Hillary Clinton is irredeemably evil. "What Hillary Did Was Far Worse" is all over social media. When asked what she "did" that was so bad, it's invariably right wing talk radio ravings that they accept as fact. People still think the Clintons had Vince Foster killed. You just can't reason with people who have locked themselves into that echo chamber. And that's why it continues to get worse.


I agree, garg. Just look at the folks right here on TDPF.
Flanders is stuck 15 years in the past, still salivating over the prospect of literally catching Bill Clinton with his pants down and when asked to address what his candidate is doing in 2016, reverts to his favorite argument that two wrongs make a right. (Seriously, he's been trying that approach since Day One of the nearly two decades I've known him.)
I don't think Roy is unreasonable to want a nominee who is not a liar or a criminal yet he's only willing to apply that standard to Hillary. When he posted a list of Clinton's supposed faults and Bland demonstrated about half of them were outright lies, not only did Roy not admit his errors, he just pretended it never happened. And there's no doubt in my mind he will post some of those very same "facts" in the future because he's completely disinterested in reality.

Lie, deny, deflect -- those are the tools these two {ahem} tools use to make their case. It's sad and pathetic but also more than a little frightening given that it's the same modus operandi of people a lot more important and influential than two clowns on a local online forum (not the least of which is the current GOP Presidential nominee.)

And it's just so painful to watch. I mean, I'm fairly confident just about any Foron who is left-of-center politically could come up with better arguments for why Hillary's a bad choice for President (she certainly isn't anywhere near my first choice) without resorting to fantasy or hyperbole. She's supported some questionable shit, said some regrettable things, and does have a major image problem, after all. But the Trumpers seem unable to make reasonable arguments based on those things, instead it's all nonsense like Benghazi, emails, murder, and extortion.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby PaleoLiberal » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:41 pm

Great post Wagstaff


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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby fennel » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:45 pm

PaleoLiberal wrote:Great post Wagstaff
"Amen to dat."

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:45 pm

Today's GOP makes Nixon seem OK. In fact, Nixon was closer to Hillary than to today's elephants.



"Relive1970s Nixon Library Reopens Extensive Renovations"

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Roy » Fri Oct 14, 2016 5:31 am

jonnygothispen wrote:In fact, Nixon was closer to Hillary than to today's elephants.

That is not a good thing for Hillary.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Bland » Fri Oct 14, 2016 8:27 am

Roy wrote:
jonnygothispen wrote:In fact, Nixon was closer to Hillary than to today's elephants.

That is not a good thing for Hillary.

That's Madam President to you, Roy.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:21 pm

John McCain, who once upon a time was both sane and respectable, is firmly in the Obstructionist-No-Matter-What and I-Refuse-To-Do-My-Job column of the now-officially anti-American Republican party:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/17/politics/ ... index.html
McCain promised that Republicans would be "united against any Supreme Court nominee" put forth by Clinton.
"I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up," McCain said. "I promise you."

That's not "advise and consent", that's stomping your feet and whining like a fucking child if you don't get your way. The Republican Party cannot implode soon enough.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Cadfael » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:01 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:John McCain, who once upon a time was both sane and respectable, is firmly in the Obstructionist-No-Matter-What and I-Refuse-To-Do-My-Job column of the now-officially anti-American Republican party:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/17/politics/ ... index.html
McCain promised that Republicans would be "united against any Supreme Court nominee" put forth by Clinton.
"I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up," McCain said. "I promise you."

That's not "advise and consent", that's stomping your feet and whining like a fucking child if you don't get your way. The Republican Party cannot implode soon enough.

Well, at least they've come right out and said it before the election. If the libs had said "Those guys are still gonna block the judge" they'd have yelled "Mitch said they'd let the next president decide!" But now everyone who votes Clinton knows they pretty much have to vote Democratic all the way unless they like split decisions.

And now that we know they'll block the judge, it's a pretty good signal they'll continue to gridlock the country till hell freezes over.

How about "Even if you vote third party for president, if you want 9 SC judges or a working country we need Dems in the House and Senate!" for an election slogan?

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:14 am

John Oliver nicely takes apart our very own deplorable Glenn Grothman on Last Week Tonight.

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:40 am

"On November 9th, if Trump loses, I'm grabbing my musket."

Former Republican Congressman Joe Walsh


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